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* [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
@ 2006-04-26  8:08 ROSSIER Daniel
  2006-04-26  8:40 ` Philippe Gerum
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: ROSSIER Daniel @ 2006-04-26  8:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: xenomai


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Hi all,

 

As promised, you can find the latency results (latency -t0/-t1/-t2) as
well as the

stats from the switch utility for the performance of our Xenomai port
onto the i.MX21 board.

 

These are fesh results :-) and we didn't have time to analyze them yet.

 

Thanks for any feedback...

 

Daniel

 


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Options du programme

# ./latency --help
./latency: illegal option -- -
usage: latency [options]
  [-h]                         # print histograms of min, avg, max latencies
  [-s]                         # print statistics of min, avg, max latencies
  [-H <histogram-size>]        # default = 200, increase if your last bucket is full
  [-B <bucket-size>]           # default = 1000ns, decrease for more resolution
  [-p <period_us>]             # sampling period
  [-l <data-lines per header>] # default=21, 0 to supress headers
  [-T <test_duration_seconds>] # default=0, so ^C to end
  [-q]                         # supresses RTD, RTH lines if -T is used
  [-D <benchmark_device_no>]   # number of benchmark device, default=0
  [-t <test_mode>]             # 0=user task (default), 1=kernel task, 2=timer IRQ
  [-f]                         # freeze trace for each new max latency
#


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Measure 1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ./latency -t0 -h -s -T10

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Test mode: periodic user-mode task
== All results in microseconds
warming up...
RTT|  00:00:01  (periodic user-mode task, 100 us period)
RTH|-----lat min|-----lat avg|-----lat max|-overrun|----lat best|---lat worst
RTD|      19.921|      28.337|      57.160|       0|      19.921|      57.160
RTD|      21.616|      28.822|      59.279|       0|      19.921|      59.279
RTD|      21.858|      28.701|      66.424|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      21.374|      28.761|      59.158|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      21.071|      28.761|      57.402|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      21.798|      28.701|      65.516|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      20.890|      28.761|      59.824|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      20.587|      28.701|      61.156|       0|      19.921|      66.424
RTD|      21.132|      28.761|      63.094|       0|      19.921|      66.424
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    min|  19 - 20 |        1
HSD|    min|  20 - 21 |        2
HSD|    min|  21 - 22 |        6
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    avg|  19 - 20 |        1
HSD|    avg|  20 - 21 |        4
HSD|    avg|  21 - 22 |       10
HSD|    avg|  22 - 23 |        8
HSD|    avg|  23 - 24 |        9
HSD|    avg|  24 - 25 |       23
HSD|    avg|  25 - 26 |     1133
HSD|    avg|  26 - 27 |    12533
HSD|    avg|  27 - 28 |    36388
HSD|    avg|  28 - 29 |    29348
HSD|    avg|  29 - 30 |    12254
HSD|    avg|  30 - 31 |     2243
HSD|    avg|  31 - 32 |      634
HSD|    avg|  32 - 33 |      366
HSD|    avg|  33 - 34 |      288
HSD|    avg|  34 - 35 |      276
HSD|    avg|  35 - 36 |      245
HSD|    avg|  36 - 37 |      275
HSD|    avg|  37 - 38 |      237
HSD|    avg|  38 - 39 |      249
HSD|    avg|  39 - 40 |      243
HSD|    avg|  40 - 41 |      317
HSD|    avg|  41 - 42 |      253
HSD|    avg|  42 - 43 |      260
HSD|    avg|  43 - 44 |      251
HSD|    avg|  44 - 45 |      272
HSD|    avg|  45 - 46 |      257
HSD|    avg|  46 - 47 |      307
HSD|    avg|  47 - 48 |      247
HSD|    avg|  48 - 49 |      242
HSD|    avg|  49 - 50 |      187
HSD|    avg|  50 - 51 |      155
HSD|    avg|  51 - 52 |      109
HSD|    avg|  52 - 53 |       97
HSD|    avg|  53 - 54 |       55
HSD|    avg|  54 - 55 |       39
HSD|    avg|  55 - 56 |       24
HSD|    avg|  56 - 57 |       15
HSD|    avg|  57 - 58 |        9
HSD|    avg|  58 - 59 |        6
HSD|    avg|  59 - 60 |        8
HSD|    avg|  60 - 61 |        1
HSD|    avg|  61 - 62 |        1
HSD|    avg|  63 - 64 |        1
HSD|    avg|  65 - 66 |        1
HSD|    avg|  66 - 67 |        1
HSD|    avg|  78 - 79 |        1
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    max|  57 - 58 |        2
HSD|    max|  59 - 60 |        3
HSD|    max|  61 - 62 |        1
HSD|    max|  63 - 64 |        1
HSD|    max|  65 - 66 |        1
HSD|    max|  66 - 67 |        1
HSH|--param|--samples-|--average--|---stddev--
HSS|    min|         9|     20.556|      0.726
HSS|    avg|     99883|     28.241|      3.553
HSS|    max|         9|     60.667|      3.317
---|------------|------------|------------|--------|-------------------------
RTS|      19.921|      28.701|      66.424|       0|    00:00:10/00:00:10

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Measure 2
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ./latency -t1 -h -s -T10

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Test mode: in-kernel periodic task
== All results in microseconds
warming up...
RTT|  00:00:01  (in-kernel periodic task, 100 us period)
RTH|-----lat min|-----lat avg|-----lat max|-overrun|----lat best|---lat worst
RTD|       9.386|      12.080|      34.545|       0|       9.386|      34.545
RTD|       9.355|      12.402|      50.046|       0|       9.355|      50.046
RTD|       9.416|      12.368|      37.330|       0|       9.355|      50.046
RTD|       9.295|      12.412|      36.846|       0|       9.295|      50.046
RTD|       9.446|      12.360|      42.416|       0|       9.295|      50.046
RTD|       9.325|      12.397|      36.906|       0|       9.295|      50.046
RTD|       9.355|      12.384|      39.903|       0|       9.295|      50.046
RTD|       9.325|      12.332|      41.326|       0|       9.295|      50.046
RTD|       9.355|      12.319|      40.115|       0|       9.295|      50.046
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    min|   9 - 10 |        9
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    avg|   9 - 10 |      496
HSD|    avg|  10 - 11 |    14221
HSD|    avg|  11 - 12 |    41433
HSD|    avg|  12 - 13 |    29745
HSD|    avg|  13 - 14 |     8497
HSD|    avg|  14 - 15 |     1306
HSD|    avg|  15 - 16 |      353
HSD|    avg|  16 - 17 |      341
HSD|    avg|  17 - 18 |      452
HSD|    avg|  18 - 19 |      457
HSD|    avg|  19 - 20 |      363
HSD|    avg|  20 - 21 |      235
HSD|    avg|  21 - 22 |      158
HSD|    avg|  22 - 23 |      120
HSD|    avg|  23 - 24 |      132
HSD|    avg|  24 - 25 |      154
HSD|    avg|  25 - 26 |      163
HSD|    avg|  26 - 27 |      201
HSD|    avg|  27 - 28 |      172
HSD|    avg|  28 - 29 |      229
HSD|    avg|  29 - 30 |      225
HSD|    avg|  30 - 31 |      178
HSD|    avg|  31 - 32 |      117
HSD|    avg|  32 - 33 |       83
HSD|    avg|  33 - 34 |       59
HSD|    avg|  34 - 35 |       37
HSD|    avg|  35 - 36 |       19
HSD|    avg|  36 - 37 |       14
HSD|    avg|  37 - 38 |        2
HSD|    avg|  38 - 39 |        3
HSD|    avg|  39 - 40 |        2
HSD|    avg|  40 - 41 |        1
HSD|    avg|  41 - 42 |        2
HSD|    avg|  42 - 43 |        1
HSD|    avg|  49 - 50 |        1
HSD|    avg|  50 - 51 |        1
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    max|  34 - 35 |        1
HSD|    max|  36 - 37 |        2
HSD|    max|  37 - 38 |        1
HSD|    max|  39 - 40 |        1
HSD|    max|  40 - 41 |        1
HSD|    max|  41 - 42 |        1
HSD|    max|  42 - 43 |        1
HSD|    max|  50 - 51 |        1
HSH|--param|--samples-|--average--|---stddev--
HSS|    min|         9|      9.000|      0.000
HSS|    avg|     99973|     11.828|      2.610
HSS|    max|         9|     39.444|      4.746
---|------------|------------|------------|--------|-------------------------
RTS|       9.295|      12.339|      50.046|       0|    00:00:10/00:00:10

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Measure 3
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ./latency -t2 -h -s -T10

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Test mode: in-kernel timer handler
== All results in microseconds
warming up...
RTT|  00:00:01  (in-kernel timer handler, 100 us period)
RTH|-----lat min|-----lat avg|-----lat max|-overrun|----lat best|---lat worst
RTD|       0.242|       0.483|      12.594|       0|       0.242|      12.594
RTD|       0.212|       0.606|      42.839|       0|       0.212|      42.839
RTD|       0.181|       0.542|      38.177|       0|       0.181|      42.839
RTD|       0.242|       0.575|      44.414|       0|       0.181|      44.414
RTD|       0.212|       0.558|      17.347|       0|       0.181|      44.414
RTD|       0.151|       0.566|      24.795|       0|       0.151|      44.414
RTD|       0.212|       0.560|      23.009|       0|       0.151|      44.414
RTD|       0.212|       0.572|      17.983|       0|       0.151|      44.414
RTD|       0.212|       0.562|      14.592|       0|       0.151|      44.414
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    min|   0 -  1 |        9
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    avg|   0 -  1 |    95677
HSD|    avg|   1 -  2 |     1108
HSD|    avg|   2 -  3 |     1060
HSD|    avg|   3 -  4 |      650
HSD|    avg|   4 -  5 |      281
HSD|    avg|   5 -  6 |      173
HSD|    avg|   6 -  7 |      161
HSD|    avg|   7 -  8 |      177
HSD|    avg|   8 -  9 |      190
HSD|    avg|   9 - 10 |      142
HSD|    avg|  10 - 11 |       94
HSD|    avg|  11 - 12 |       71
HSD|    avg|  12 - 13 |       44
HSD|    avg|  13 - 14 |       16
HSD|    avg|  14 - 15 |        6
HSD|    avg|  15 - 16 |        6
HSD|    avg|  16 - 17 |        4
HSD|    avg|  17 - 18 |        5
HSD|    avg|  18 - 19 |        1
HSD|    avg|  19 - 20 |        2
HSD|    avg|  23 - 24 |        1
HSD|    avg|  24 - 25 |        1
HSD|    avg|  29 - 30 |        1
HSD|    avg|  38 - 39 |        1
HSD|    avg|  42 - 43 |        1
HSD|    avg|  44 - 45 |        1
---|--param|----range-|--samples
HSD|    max|  12 - 13 |        1
HSD|    max|  14 - 15 |        1
HSD|    max|  17 - 18 |        2
HSD|    max|  23 - 24 |        1
HSD|    max|  24 - 25 |        1
HSD|    max|  38 - 39 |        1
HSD|    max|  42 - 43 |        1
HSD|    max|  44 - 45 |        1
HSH|--param|--samples-|--average--|---stddev--
HSS|    min|         9|      0.000|      0.000
HSS|    avg|     99874|      0.152|      0.980
HSS|    max|         9|     25.667|     12.440
---|------------|------------|------------|--------|-------------------------
RTS|       0.151|       0.558|      44.414|       0|    00:00:10/00:00:10

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mesure 4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# ./latency -t2

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Test mode: in-kernel timer handler
== All results in microseconds
warming up...
RTT|  00:00:01  (in-kernel timer handler, 100 us period)
RTH|-----lat min|-----lat avg|-----lat max|-overrun|----lat best|---lat worst
RTD|       0.152|       0.456|      15.804|       0|       0.152|      15.804
RTD|       0.212|       0.535|      22.616|       0|       0.152|      22.616
RTD|       0.121|       0.526|      21.799|       0|       0.121|      22.616
RTD|       0.061|       0.524|      25.825|       0|       0.061|      25.825
RTD|       0.212|       0.530|      44.445|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.182|       0.507|      13.110|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.212|       0.536|      37.845|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.091|       0.528|      30.942|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.121|       0.518|      14.109|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.091|       0.521|      13.261|       0|       0.061|      44.445
RTD|       0.182|       0.523|      48.381|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.121|       0.511|      16.016|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.182|       0.531|      46.261|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.182|       0.533|      20.951|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.182|       0.524|      17.833|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.152|       0.511|      23.736|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.182|       0.531|      15.834|       0|       0.061|      48.381
RTD|       0.182|       0.527|      39.601|       0|       0.061|      48.381
---|------------|------------|------------|--------|-------------------------
RTS|       0.061|       0.520|      48.381|       0|    00:00:18/00:00:18

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Measure 5
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# ./switch -h

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Do not interrupt this program
RTH|     lat min|     lat avg|     lat max|        lost
RTD|       23433|       28882|       59703|         186
23 - 24 us: 22
24 - 25 us: 347
25 - 26 us: 2626
26 - 27 us: 8848
27 - 28 us: 19500
28 - 29 us: 23290
29 - 30 us: 21493
30 - 31 us: 12357
31 - 32 us: 6532
32 - 33 us: 2653
33 - 34 us: 1140
34 - 35 us: 479
35 - 36 us: 134
36 - 37 us: 58
37 - 38 us: 27
38 - 39 us: 6
39 - 40 us: 4
42 - 43 us: 3
43 - 44 us: 3
44 - 45 us: 8
45 - 46 us: 13
46 - 47 us: 35
47 - 48 us: 45
48 - 49 us: 39
49 - 50 us: 37
50 - 51 us: 45
51 - 52 us: 23
52 - 53 us: 17
53 - 54 us: 18
54 - 55 us: 4
55 - 56 us: 2
56 - 57 us: 1
59 - 60 us: 1

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Measure 6
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# ./switch

Results
-------

== Sampling period: 100 us
== Do not interrupt this program
RTH|     lat min|     lat avg|     lat max|        lost
RTD|       22706|       28035|       58795|           2




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* Re: [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
  2006-04-26  8:08 ROSSIER Daniel
@ 2006-04-26  8:40 ` Philippe Gerum
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Philippe Gerum @ 2006-04-26  8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ROSSIER Daniel; +Cc: xenomai

ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>  
> 
> As promised, you can find the latency results (latency –t0/-t1/-t2) as 
> well as the
> 
> stats from the switch utility for the performance of our Xenomai port 
> onto the i.MX21 board.
> 
>  
> 
> These are fesh results J and we didn't have time to analyze them yet.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for any feedback…

The tests have not been run long enough under load to get a reliable 
measure of the real worst-case figures, but still, the data sets seem 
consistent.

- the test run of latency -t2 (in-kernel timer handler) shows equivalent 
worst-case figures than the -t1 form (in-kernel thread), which means 
that most of the latency hit is taken at the Adeos level, i.e. in-kernel 
scheduling adds little in the picture. Room for improvement is primarily 
hiding somewhere in the Adeos layer, I think.

- comparing the min latency observed in the -t1 and -t2 forms, it looks 
like the inherent cost of traversing the rescheduling path would be 
close to ~10 us.

- comparing the min latency observed in the -t0 and -t1 forms, there is 
another 10+ us consumed in switching mm contexts, and paying the 
involved cache penalties. The way to measure the level of perturbation 
Linux adds by switching its own tasks is to write a simple kernel module 
embodying a Xenomai thread that keeps the CPU busy while the performance 
  test is running at a higher priority.

I'd say that the most efficient way to reduce those latencies would 
require to first identify the source of the 40+ us spot observed with 
the -t2 form on an idle system. For that, I'm convinced that porting the 
I-pipe tracer to ARM would be the best option, since this tool would be 
of great help there.

This port basically requires 1) to code the mcount() routine supporting 
gcc's -pg option, 2) to solve early boot issues so that mcount() does 
not attempt to trace anything while the memory environment has not been 
fully set up. The rest is pretty generic.

-- 

Philippe.


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* RE: [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
@ 2006-04-27 11:50 ROSSIER Daniel
  2006-04-27 12:02 ` Jan Kiszka
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: ROSSIER Daniel @ 2006-04-27 11:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Philippe Gerum; +Cc: xenomai



> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Philippe Gerum [mailto:rpm@xenomai.org]
> Envoyé : mercredi, 26. avril 2006 10:41
> À : ROSSIER Daniel
> Cc : xenomai@xenomai.org
> Objet : Re: [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
> 
> ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > As promised, you can find the latency results (latency -t0/-t1/-t2) as
> > well as the
> >
> > stats from the switch utility for the performance of our Xenomai port
> > onto the i.MX21 board.
> >
> >
> >
> > These are fesh results J and we didn't have time to analyze them yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any feedback...
> 
> The tests have not been run long enough under load to get a reliable
> measure of the real worst-case figures, but still, the data sets seem
> consistent.

Ok; we will then make further test.

> 
> - the test run of latency -t2 (in-kernel timer handler) shows equivalent
> worst-case figures than the -t1 form (in-kernel thread), which means
> that most of the latency hit is taken at the Adeos level, i.e. in-kernel
> scheduling adds little in the picture. Room for improvement is primarily
> hiding somewhere in the Adeos layer, I think.
> 

ok; we still have to investigate all the call paths at the Adeos layer before the timer reprogramming.

> - comparing the min latency observed in the -t1 and -t2 forms, it looks
> like the inherent cost of traversing the rescheduling path would be
> close to ~10 us.
> 
> - comparing the min latency observed in the -t0 and -t1 forms, there is
> another 10+ us consumed in switching mm contexts, and paying the
> involved cache penalties. The way to measure the level of perturbation
> Linux adds by switching its own tasks is to write a simple kernel module
> embodying a Xenomai thread that keeps the CPU busy while the performance
>   test is running at a higher priority.
> 
> I'd say that the most efficient way to reduce those latencies would
> require to first identify the source of the 40+ us spot observed with
> the -t2 form on an idle system. For that, I'm convinced that porting the
> I-pipe tracer to ARM would be the best option, since this tool would be
> of great help there.
> 
Thanks for the hint; we will spend some time on the tracer in the coming days. We keep you informed.

> This port basically requires 1) to code the mcount() routine supporting
> gcc's -pg option, 2) to solve early boot issues so that mcount() does
> not attempt to trace anything while the memory environment has not been
> fully set up. The rest is pretty generic.
> 
> --
> 
> Philippe.

Daniel


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* Re: [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
  2006-04-27 11:50 [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS ROSSIER Daniel
@ 2006-04-27 12:02 ` Jan Kiszka
  2006-04-27 12:13   ` Philippe Gerum
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Jan Kiszka @ 2006-04-27 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: ROSSIER Daniel; +Cc: xenomai

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ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
>>
>> I'd say that the most efficient way to reduce those latencies would
>> require to first identify the source of the 40+ us spot observed with
>> the -t2 form on an idle system. For that, I'm convinced that porting the
>> I-pipe tracer to ARM would be the best option, since this tool would be
>> of great help there.
>>
> Thanks for the hint; we will spend some time on the tracer in the coming days. We keep you informed.
> 

Cool, tracing also for ARM!

>> This port basically requires 1) to code the mcount() routine supporting
>> gcc's -pg option, 2) to solve early boot issues so that mcount() does
>> not attempt to trace anything while the memory environment has not been
>> fully set up. The rest is pretty generic.
>>

Regarding a mcount() implementation and other details, the original
tracer effort by Ingo Molnar may give useful hints (at least it did for me):

http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/

I remember the ARM part not being that simple as x86. I think this was
also due to lacking stack unwinding support on that arch.

Jan


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* Re: [Xenomai-core] Latencies for the Freescale i.MX21/CSB535FS
  2006-04-27 12:02 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2006-04-27 12:13   ` Philippe Gerum
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Philippe Gerum @ 2006-04-27 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: ROSSIER Daniel, xenomai

Jan Kiszka wrote:
> ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
> 
>>>I'd say that the most efficient way to reduce those latencies would
>>>require to first identify the source of the 40+ us spot observed with
>>>the -t2 form on an idle system. For that, I'm convinced that porting the
>>>I-pipe tracer to ARM would be the best option, since this tool would be
>>>of great help there.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks for the hint; we will spend some time on the tracer in the coming days. We keep you informed.
>>
> 
> 
> Cool, tracing also for ARM!
> 
> 
>>>This port basically requires 1) to code the mcount() routine supporting
>>>gcc's -pg option, 2) to solve early boot issues so that mcount() does
>>>not attempt to trace anything while the memory environment has not been
>>>fully set up. The rest is pretty generic.
>>>
> 
> 
> Regarding a mcount() implementation and other details, the original
> tracer effort by Ingo Molnar may give useful hints (at least it did for me):
> 
> http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/
> 
> I remember the ARM part not being that simple as x86. I think this was
> also due to lacking stack unwinding support on that arch.
> 

There's a said to be working replacement for __builtin_return_address 
provided by mingo's patch.
http://people.redhat.com/mingo/latency-tracing-patches/patches/latency-tracing.patch

-- 

Philippe.


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