* [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
@ 2006-05-02 5:08 Brian L.
2006-05-03 11:31 ` Jan Kiszka
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From: Brian L. @ 2006-05-02 5:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: xenomai
Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
supported by the virtualization software .
Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
Thoughts?
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* Re: [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
2006-05-02 5:08 [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM Brian L.
@ 2006-05-03 11:31 ` Jan Kiszka
2006-05-13 7:49 ` Jan Kiszka
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From: Jan Kiszka @ 2006-05-03 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brian L.; +Cc: xenomai
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Brian L. wrote:
> Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
> Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
> to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
> vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
> could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
> supported by the virtualization software .
>
> Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
> performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
>
> Thoughts?
Should work, just give it a try. We once started to play with our full
embedded distro under bochs, but I do not recall right now how far we
came - need to check with the person who actually did the work.
Anyway, RTAI used to run fine under ancient VMware, I do not see any
reason why this shouldn't work for Xenomai as well. If it breaks and
Xenomai crashes, please post the results. If your VM goes South - switch
to another product. ;)
Jan
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* Re: [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
2006-05-03 11:31 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2006-05-13 7:49 ` Jan Kiszka
2006-05-13 9:05 ` weigold
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From: Jan Kiszka @ 2006-05-13 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Brian L.; +Cc: xenomai
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Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Brian L. wrote:
>> Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
>> Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
>> to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
>> vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
>> could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
>> supported by the virtualization software .
>>
>> Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
>> performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> Should work, just give it a try. We once started to play with our full
> embedded distro under bochs, but I do not recall right now how far we
> came - need to check with the person who actually did the work.
>
Meanwhile I'm running a VM myself: QEMU. No problems, it just works
without any trick, also with RT software or with kgdb attached to the
Xenomai kernel.
Jan
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* Re: [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
2006-05-13 7:49 ` Jan Kiszka
@ 2006-05-13 9:05 ` weigold
2006-05-13 17:06 ` Brian L.
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From: weigold @ 2006-05-13 9:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jan Kiszka; +Cc: xenomai, Brian L.
We are running Xenomai inside VMWare hosted on OpenSuse 10.0 and Windows
XP for quite a while now. Xenomai kernelspace and userspace applications
can be developed and tested. Since you are aware it’s not realtime at all
and you don’t have to deal with real hardware you get a very flexible
development environment.
Harald
> Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Brian L. wrote:
>>> Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
>>> Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
>>> to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
>>> vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
>>> could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
>>> supported by the virtualization software .
>>>
>>> Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
>>> performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>
>> Should work, just give it a try. We once started to play with our full
>> embedded distro under bochs, but I do not recall right now how far we
>> came - need to check with the person who actually did the work.
>>
>
> Meanwhile I'm running a VM myself: QEMU. No problems, it just works
> without any trick, also with RT software or with kgdb attached to the
> Xenomai kernel.
>
> Jan
>
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> Xenomai-help@domain.hid
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* Re: [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
2006-05-13 9:05 ` weigold
@ 2006-05-13 17:06 ` Brian L.
2006-05-14 21:40 ` Brian L.
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Brian L. @ 2006-05-13 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: weigold@domain.hid; +Cc: xenomai, Jan Kiszka
Great...I haven't gotten around to trying it out, but I hopefully will
soon. I wonder how qemu does on intel macs...
On 5/13/06, weigold@domain.hid <weigold@domain.hid> wrote:
> We are running Xenomai inside VMWare hosted on OpenSuse 10.0 and Windows
> XP for quite a while now. Xenomai kernelspace and userspace applications
> can be developed and tested. Since you are aware it's not realtime at all
> and you don't have to deal with real hardware you get a very flexible
> development environment.
>
> Harald
>
> > Jan Kiszka wrote:
> >> Brian L. wrote:
> >>> Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
> >>> Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
> >>> to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
> >>> vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
> >>> could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
> >>> supported by the virtualization software .
> >>>
> >>> Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
> >>> performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >
> >> Should work, just give it a try. We once started to play with our full
> >> embedded distro under bochs, but I do not recall right now how far we
> >> came - need to check with the person who actually did the work.
> >>
> >
> > Meanwhile I'm running a VM myself: QEMU. No problems, it just works
> > without any trick, also with RT software or with kgdb attached to the
> > Xenomai kernel.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Xenomai-help mailing list
> > Xenomai-help@domain.hid
> > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/xenomai-help
> >
>
>
>
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* Re: [Xenomai-help] Xenomai in a VM
2006-05-13 17:06 ` Brian L.
@ 2006-05-14 21:40 ` Brian L.
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Brian L. @ 2006-05-14 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: weigold@domain.hid; +Cc: xenomai, Jan Kiszka
Update: Xenomai runs swimmingly in both Parallels and Q (qemu
repackaged) on my intel mac. Since my normal mode of development is
headless, I can run parallels in the background and then develop
through terminal as usual...except without lugging around the dev
machine.
On 5/13/06, Brian L. <bluczkie@domain.hid> wrote:
> Great...I haven't gotten around to trying it out, but I hopefully will
> soon. I wonder how qemu does on intel macs...
>
>
> On 5/13/06, weigold@domain.hid <weigold@domain.hid> wrote:
> > We are running Xenomai inside VMWare hosted on OpenSuse 10.0 and Windows
> > XP for quite a while now. Xenomai kernelspace and userspace applications
> > can be developed and tested. Since you are aware it's not realtime at all
> > and you don't have to deal with real hardware you get a very flexible
> > development environment.
> >
> > Harald
> >
> > > Jan Kiszka wrote:
> > >> Brian L. wrote:
> > >>> Has anyone tried running Xenomai inside a virtual machine (i.e. Qemu,
> > >>> Parallels, VMWare, bochs, simics)? Is there any reason to expect this
> > >>> to fail? In theory, the virtualization software should appear as a
> > >>> vanilla x86 to the OS running inside of it, but I'd imagine xenomai
> > >>> could potentially tweak bits of the cpu/architecture that are not as
> > >>> supported by the virtualization software .
> > >>>
> > >>> Of course, I wouldn't expect any real-time characteristics or
> > >>> performance to speak of. This would be for development/testing only.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts?
> > >
> > >> Should work, just give it a try. We once started to play with our full
> > >> embedded distro under bochs, but I do not recall right now how far we
> > >> came - need to check with the person who actually did the work.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Meanwhile I'm running a VM myself: QEMU. No problems, it just works
> > > without any trick, also with RT software or with kgdb attached to the
> > > Xenomai kernel.
> > >
> > > Jan
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Xenomai-help mailing list
> > > Xenomai-help@domain.hid
> > > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/xenomai-help
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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