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From: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>
To: balbir@in.ibm.com
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kingsley Cheung <kingsley@aurema.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/5] sched: Add CPU rate soft caps
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 23:35:24 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4479A71C.4060604@bigpond.net.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <661de9470605280038l40e53357ka3043dabd95de5fc@mail.gmail.com>

Balbir Singh wrote:
> On 5/28/06, Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> Peter Williams wrote:
>> > Balbir Singh wrote:
>> >> On 5/26/06, Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >> <snip>
>> >>>
>> >>> Notes:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. To minimize the overhead incurred when testing to skip caps
>> >>> processing for
>> >>> uncapped tasks a new flag PF_HAS_CAP has been added to flags.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The implementation involves the addition of two priority slots 
>> to the
>> >>> run queue priority arrays and this means that MAX_PRIO no longer
>> >>> represents the scheduling priority of the idle process and can't be
>> >>> used to
>> >>> test whether priority values are in the valid range.  To alleviate 
>> this
>> >>> problem a new function sched_idle_prio() has been provided.
>> >>
>> >> I am a little confused by this. Why link the bandwidth expired tasks a
>> >> cpu (its caps) to a priority slot? Is this a hack to conitnue using
>> >> the prio_array? why not move such tasks to the expired array?
>> >
>> > Because it won't work as after the array switch they may get to run
>> > before tasks who aren't exceeding their cap (or don't have a cap).
>>
> 
> That behaviour would be fair.

Caps aren't about being fair.  In fact, giving a task a cap is an 
explicit instruction to the scheduler that the task should be treated 
unfairly in some circumstances (namely when it's exceeding that cap).

Similarly, the interactive bonus mechanism is not about fairness either. 
  It's about giving tasks that are thought to be interactive an unfair 
advantage so that the user experiences good responsiveness.

Peter
-- 
Peter Williams                                   pwil3058@bigpond.net.au

"Learning, n. The kind of ignorance distinguishing the studious."
  -- Ambrose Bierce

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-28 13:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-26  4:20 [RFC 0/5] sched: Add CPU rate caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 1/5] sched: Fix priority inheritence before CPU rate soft caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 2/5] sched: Add " Peter Williams
2006-05-26 10:48   ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:15     ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 11:17       ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:30         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 13:55     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  6:31   ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  7:03     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-28  0:11       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-28  7:38         ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-28 13:35           ` Peter Williams [this message]
2006-05-28 14:42             ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-28 23:27               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 13:17                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-31 23:39                   ` Peter Williams
2006-06-01  8:09                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01 23:38                       ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  1:35                         ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:20 ` [RFC 3/5] sched: Add CPU rate hard caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  6:58   ` Kari Hurtta
2006-05-27  1:00     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 11:00   ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 13:59     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 14:12       ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 14:23       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-27  0:16         ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  9:28           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-05-28  2:09             ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  6:48   ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  8:44     ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 13:10       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-31 15:59         ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-31 18:09           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-01  7:41           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01  8:34             ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-01 18:43               ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-01 23:26                 ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  2:02                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-02  3:21                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  8:32                       ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 13:30                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02 18:58                           ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 23:49                             ` Peter Williams
2006-06-03  4:59                               ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-02 19:06                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-03  0:04                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02  0:36                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-06-02  2:03                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-02  5:55                 ` [ckrm-tech] [RFC 3/5] " Peter Williams
2006-06-02  7:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02 13:34                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-05 22:11                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-06  8:24                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-06  9:13                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-06-06  9:28                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02  8:46                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-02 13:18                     ` Peter Williams
2006-06-02 14:47                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-03  0:08                         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-03  6:02                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-03 11:03                             ` Peter Williams
2006-06-06 11:26                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-02  7:34                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-02 21:23                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-01 23:47               ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-01 23:43           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-31 23:28         ` Peter Williams
2006-06-01  7:44           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-06-01 23:21             ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:21 ` [RFC 4/5] sched: Add procfs interface for CPU rate soft caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  4:21 ` [RFC 5/5] sched: Add procfs interface for CPU rate hard caps Peter Williams
2006-05-26  8:04 ` [RFC 0/5] sched: Add CPU rate caps Mike Galbraith
2006-05-26 16:11   ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-05-28 22:46     ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-28 23:30       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-29  3:09         ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-29  3:41           ` Peter Williams
2006-05-29 21:16             ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-29 23:12               ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30  2:07                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-30  2:45                   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30 22:05                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-30 23:22                       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-30 23:25                       ` Peter Williams
2006-06-05 23:56                       ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  0:16   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 10:41 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-27  1:28   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-27  1:42     ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 11:09 ` Con Kolivas
2006-05-26 14:00   ` Peter Williams
2006-05-26 11:29 ` Balbir Singh
2006-05-27  1:40   ` Peter Williams

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