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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@suse.de
Subject: Re: [rfc][patch] remove racy sync_page?
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:39:37 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <447FA4E9.9040000@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <447FA3B3.7080407@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin wrote:
> Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006, Nick Piggin wrote:
>>
>>> If this wasn't clear: I don't mean per-task plugs as in "the task
>>> explicitly plugs and unplugs the block device"[*]; I mean really
>>> per-task plugs.
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be insane. It would mean that you'd have to unplug whether you 
> 
> 
> I don't think it is.
> 
>> wanted to or not. Ie you've now made "sys_readahead()" impossible to 
>> do well, and doing read-ahead across multiple files.
> 
> 
> Now it is you who are ignoring what I've been saying. I've been saying
> that I don't think your sys_readahead examples have had much to do with
> plugging:
> 
> 1. If there are no other requests to seek to, plugging doesn't matter;
> 2. If there are other requests to seek to, the queue won't be plugged
>    or will soon become unplugged anyway. So the current system isn't
>    somehow going to do the right thing every time and be immune to
>    seeking.

Lastly, an app can still issue multiple sys_readaheads and still get
seek protection -- it isn't like disks have suddenly got faster than
CPUs overnight.

as-iosched.c can handle the case where a request goes out to disk, and
later a new one comes in nearby (deadline IIRC isn't good at this
unfortunately, nor does it seek backwards)

OTOH, if you're using as-iosched.c, you explicitly get a good amount of
seek protection anyway.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-02  2:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-29  9:34 [rfc][patch] remove racy sync_page? Nick Piggin
2006-05-29 19:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-29 19:15   ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-30  0:08   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  0:08     ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  1:32     ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-30  1:32       ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-30  2:54       ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  2:54         ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  3:14         ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-30  3:14           ` Andrew Morton
2006-05-30  4:13           ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  4:13             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  9:05           ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-30  9:05             ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 13:43             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 13:43               ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 15:09               ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31 15:09                 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31 15:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 15:22                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 17:51                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 17:51                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 17:50               ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 17:50                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-30  4:20         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-30  4:20           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-30  5:07           ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  5:07             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  5:21             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  5:21               ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  6:12               ` Neil Brown
2006-05-30  6:12                 ` Neil Brown
2006-05-30  7:10                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  7:10                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31  4:34                   ` Neil Brown
2006-05-31  4:34                     ` Neil Brown
2006-05-30  8:24               ` Nikita Danilov
2006-05-30  8:24                 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-05-30 17:55               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-30 17:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31  0:32                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31  0:32                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31  0:56                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31  0:56                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31  1:33                     ` Mark Lord
2006-05-31  1:33                       ` Mark Lord
2006-05-31  6:11                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31  6:11                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 12:55                         ` Mark Lord
2006-05-31 12:55                           ` Mark Lord
2006-05-31 13:02                           ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 13:02                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 13:19                           ` NCQ performance (was Re: [rfc][patch] remove racy sync_page?) Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 13:19                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 14:56                             ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-01 14:56                               ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-01 15:03                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 15:03                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 18:04                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-01 18:04                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05  5:30                                   ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-05  5:30                                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-05  7:59                                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05  7:59                                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 12:31                     ` [rfc][patch] remove racy sync_page? Helge Hafting
2006-05-31 12:31                       ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-31 12:36                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-31 12:36                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-31 13:29                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 13:29                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 13:41                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 13:41                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 13:54                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 13:54                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 14:43                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 14:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 14:57                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 14:57                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 15:13                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 15:13                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 15:33                             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 15:57                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 16:12                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 16:26                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 16:19                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 16:22                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 16:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-02  2:34                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-02  2:39                                         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-05-31 16:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-06-02  2:21                                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31 23:59                                   ` Neil Brown
2006-05-31 15:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 15:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 18:13                           ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 18:13                             ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 18:26                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-31 18:26                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-30  5:36             ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30 18:31               ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-30 18:31                 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31  0:21                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31  0:21                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-31  3:06                   ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31  3:06                     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31 14:30                     ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31 14:30                       ` Hugh Dickins
2006-05-31 17:56                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-31 17:56                       ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-30  5:51 ` Josef Sipek
2006-05-30  5:51   ` Josef Sipek
2006-05-30  6:44   ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  6:44     ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  6:50     ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30  6:50       ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-30 13:12     ` Josef Sipek
2006-05-30 13:12       ` Josef Sipek

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