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From: Matthew Frost <artusemrys@sbcglobal.net>
To: Matti Aarnio <matti.aarnio@zmailer.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation  (FAQ matter)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:28:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <448DA442.3010905@sbcglobal.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060612090521.GE11649@merlin.emma.line.org>

Matthias Andree wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006, Matti Aarnio wrote:
...
> SPF is a non-starter.
> 
> Perhaps you should consider having filters look at the *content* of
> messages. Does it fit how common messages look on vger lists? Or does it
> look like the usual spam? bogofilter can to it. qsf can do it. spamprobe
> can do it.  crm114 can do it.  Some of these (bogofilter for instance)
> can ascertain how much it's spam, how much it's wanted, or if it's
> undecided.
> 

This is a great point; spam on linux-kernel, of all places, is notable 
by what it looks like.  Subject headers don't look right, and the 
content bears very little resemblance to l-k ham.  Maybe hand-filtering 
is catching the stuff that appears adapted to spoof legitimate kernel 
mail, but if so, it has a great track record.  Spammers don't seem to be 
targeting linux-kernel patterns.  Heck, I can train thunderbird to 
filter spam correctly by content for linux-kernel.  Bayesian works well. 
  Since it runs through Yahoo first, I often have to fight Yahoo for my 
legitimate email; that may change my mileage.  However, the other 
notable characteristic is the fact that this list ignores spam.  If it 
has a reply, it may be a flame, it may be a troll, but it hasn't ever 
been spam in my experience.

Why pursue brokenness unless it's your last resort?  You can break a lot 
of eggs without making anything edible, let alone an omelette.

Matt

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-12 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-10 22:27 VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) Matti Aarnio
2006-06-10 23:06 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-11  0:16   ` Rik van Riel
2006-06-11  0:44     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-11 13:02     ` Theodore Tso
2006-06-11 13:55       ` Rik van Riel
2006-06-11 14:03         ` Avi Kivity
2006-06-12  8:47           ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 10:17             ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 10:35               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12 11:07               ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-11  2:24   ` marty fouts
2006-06-11  2:41     ` jdow
2006-06-11  2:58       ` David Schwartz
2006-06-11  5:17         ` jdow
2006-06-12  8:18           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12  8:23             ` jdow
2006-06-12  8:31               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12  9:47               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 10:30                 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-12 10:33                   ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 17:37               ` Gerhard Mack
2006-06-12 18:14                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-06-12 18:46                   ` jdow
2006-06-12 19:16                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-06-12 21:51                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13 21:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12  9:53             ` Alan Cox
2006-06-12 10:01               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12 11:14                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 10:58               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 11:22                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 11:42             ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-13 23:32               ` Scott Lockwood
2006-06-13 23:42                 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-14  0:02               ` Neil Brown
2006-06-14 10:20                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-16  3:53                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-06-12  8:27     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-12 20:25       ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-12 21:10         ` Nick Warne
2006-06-12 22:06           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-12 22:12             ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-12 23:03             ` jdow
2006-06-13  3:00               ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13  5:54                 ` jdow
2006-06-13  8:36                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13  9:58                   ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-13 13:28                   ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13 14:34                     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13  9:05                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 10:45                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 12:24                     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 12:49                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 13:10                         ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 15:19                         ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-13 15:57                           ` Auke Kok
2006-06-13 19:54                             ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-13 20:31                               ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-06-13 20:48                                 ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-15 17:05               ` Keith Owens
2006-06-15 23:14                 ` Wakko Warner
2006-06-13  0:11             ` Phil Oester
2006-06-13  0:26               ` David Miller
2006-06-13  4:18                 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-06-13 15:17               ` Joel Jaeggli
2006-06-12 21:43         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13  3:05           ` Horst von Brand
2006-06-13  8:31             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-06-13 10:50               ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 13:15                 ` Justin Piszcz
2006-06-11  5:09   ` Neil Brown
2006-06-11  5:26     ` jdow
2006-06-11  6:12       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-06-11 16:02 ` Folkert van Heusden
2006-06-11 17:54   ` Lee Revell
2006-06-11 18:54     ` David Miller
2006-06-12  9:09       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 11:32       ` Nikita Danilov
2006-06-12 14:52       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-12 20:00         ` David Miller
2006-06-12 22:29           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-12 22:48             ` David Miller
2006-06-12 22:57               ` Jesper Juhl
2006-06-13  3:54         ` VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) - Alternative Marc Perkel
2006-06-13  4:51           ` David Miller
2006-06-13 13:41       ` VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) Athanasius
2006-06-11 17:31 ` Marc Perkel
2006-06-11 18:50 ` Florian Weimer
     [not found] ` <20060611072223.GA16150@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
2006-06-12  8:32   ` Matti Aarnio
2006-06-12  8:40     ` Russell King
2006-06-12  9:57       ` Neil Brown
2006-06-12 15:55         ` Russell King
2006-06-12 20:06       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2006-06-12 11:22     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-12 15:41     ` Simon Oosthoek
2006-06-12 22:55       ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-13 17:41       ` Matti Aarnio
2006-06-12  9:05 ` Matthias Andree
2006-06-12 17:28   ` Matthew Frost [this message]
2006-06-13  0:12   ` David Woodhouse

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