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From: Mourad De Clerck <mourad@aquazul.com>
To: Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFT] Realtek 8168 ethernet support
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:25:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44958CA5.20309@aquazul.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060612222947.GC803@electric-eye.fr.zoreil.com>

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Hi,

sorry for the delayed response...

On 13/06/06 00:29, Francois Romieu wrote:
> wget goes faster, right ? Do you have some vmstat 1 output at hand
> for it ?

It does indeed go faster, and it seems a little bit more reliable, but
with big enough transfers it locks up too. See commandline-2.txt and
vmstat-2.txt - it gets through around 600-700MB before locking up. I
also noticed that at 3-4 points during the transfer it seemed to
"pause", and then continue.

> Ok but can you set correctly the link with the command which was told
> to fail in you first mail ? The patch could fix it.

Yes, indeed: doing "ethtool -s eth0 speed 10 autoneg off" switches it to
the slow speed, and keeps it there too (at 10Mb/s).

"ethtool eth0" still reports "Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes" and
"Auto-negotiation: on", which is probably not right. It also reports
"Advertised link modes:  10baseT/Full" only, which is probably correct.

It only actually restarts auto-negotiation when I issue the command
"ethtool -s eth0 autoneg on", at which point the speeds goes back up to
1000Mb/s - the expected behaviour. So it seems ethtool works better than
before wrt auto-negotiation.

> Can you try something like:
> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024k count=1000 | ssh -c blowfish hell dd of=/tmp/1000m.bin 

Well this transfer (from shuttle -> hell) completed successfully. See
commandline-3.txt and vmstat-3.txt; However I noticed the speed was only
around 7 MB/s and wondered if the link speed was maybe set to 100Mb/s,
so I immediately afterwards did a "wget"-test again, which locked up
after only 5%. The wget test however did confirm the link speed to be
1000Mb/s. See commandline-4.txt and vmstat-4.txt for that last, short test.

> May I assume that the freeze locks everything (keyboard, mouse, led) beyond
> the scp command itself ?

Yes indeed. My (usb) keyboard doesn't respond at all anymore, networking
is completely out, (usb) mouse freezes too. SysRq doesn't seem to help
much either.


-- Mourad

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shuttle:~# wget http://hell/testfile.bin
--18:39:21--  http://hell/testfile.bin
           => `testfile.bin'
Resolving hell... 10.10.1.1
Connecting to hell|10.10.1.1|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 1,073,741,824 (1.0G) [application/octet-stream]

56% [================================>                          ] 602,018,040   27.70M/s    ETA 00:17

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shuttle:~# dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024k count=1000 | ssh -c blowfish hell dd of=/tmp/1000m.bin
Password:
1000+0 records in
1000+0 records out
1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 155.971 seconds, 6.7 MB/s
2047951+99 records in
2048000+0 records out
1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 140.689 seconds, 7.5 MB/s
shuttle:~#

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shuttle:~# wget http://hell/testfile.bin
--18:57:26--  http://hell/testfile.bin
           => `testfile.bin'
Resolving hell... 10.10.1.1
Connecting to hell|10.10.1.1|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 1,073,741,824 (1.0G) [application/octet-stream]

 5% [>                                    ] 57,266,176    30.30M/s

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shuttle:~# vmstat 1
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
 0  0      0 983108   4672  29140    0    0    33    11  452    64  1  6 92  1
 0  0      0 983108   4672  29140    0    0     0     0  458    18  0  2 98  0
 0  0      0 982556   4688  29588    0    0   464     0  492    65  1  2 90  7
 0  0      0 981316   4692  30720    0    0     0     0 2029   162  0  2 98  0
 0  0      0 951804   4724  59324    0    0     0     0 38927  3128  1 42 57  0
 0  1      0 911380   4764  96528    0    0     4 66940 50360 10405  3 63 33  1
 0  1      0 875916   4796 131716    0    0     0     0 41138  4251  5 69  0 26
 1  1      0 842684   4828 164804    0    0     0     0 38724  4368  3 66  0 31
 1  1      0 807468   4872 199296    0    0     0   204 43170  4254  4 59  9 28
 1  0      0 772748   4908 232772    0    0     4 32516 39246  4071  3 67 22  8
 0  2      0 737656   4940 266256    0    0     0 97720 38868  4612  4 66 30  0
 0  2      0 737532   4940 266256    0    0     0 32768  663    23  0  5  0 95
 0  2      0 738772   4940 266256    0    0     0  6724  551    19  0  3  0 97
 1  1      0 718436   4972 288608    0    0     0   196 26291  2494  3 47  1 49
 0  0      0 676276   5012 329108    0    0     0     0 54791  4380  3 59  2 36
 0  2      0 639944   5048 362376    0    0     4 81856 44893  7185  2 54  9 35
 0  2      0 640564   5048 362376    0    0     0 14268  618    19  0  2  0 98
 0  2      0 641928   5048 362376    0    0     0    24  553    18  0  2  0 98
 0  1      0 608944   5088 396016    0    0     0   128 45004  9135  4 52  6 38
 0  1      0 571868   5124 431544    0    0     0     0 47833  9603  2 59 12 27
 1  1      0 529212   5160 471104    0    0     0 84548 52399  4222  2 61  5 32
 1  3      0 493500   5200 506492    0    0     4 16384 40790  4236  6 74  0 20
 0  3      0 459276   5232 540684    0    0     0  7208 39859  4816  4 68  0 28
 1  5      0 426400   5264 572964    0    0     0   276 37415  4565  6 61  0 33
 0  2      0 400980   5296 598496    0    0     0  2672 30845  4263  4 50  1 45

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shuttle:~# vmstat 1
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
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 0  0      0 978416  11988  26328    0    0    12     0  466    25  1  0 98  1
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procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
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procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
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 0  0      0 978432  11988  26328    0    0     0     0  454    17  0  0 100  0
 0  0      0 978432  11988  26328    0    0     0     0  457    17  0  0 100  0
 0  0      0 978432  11988  26328    0    0     0     0  453    17  0  0 100  0

shuttle:~#

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shuttle:~# vmstat 1
procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
 1  0      0 978500  12136  26496    0    0    44    12 1629   191  3  2 94  1
 0  0      0 977888  12144  26944    0    0   456     0  476    59  0  0 95  5
 0  0      0 977888  12144  26944    0    0     0     0  456    17  0  0 100  0
 0  0      0 977888  12144  26944    0    0     0     0  463    27  0  0 100  0
 1  0      0 962140  12164  42048    0    0     0     0 20379  1810  2 23 75  0
 1  1      0 919360  12204  81948    0    0     0 54492 52864  9317  2 62 36  0

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-18 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-01 20:02 [RFT] Realtek 8168 ethernet support Daniel Drake
2006-06-01 22:24 ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-02  1:38   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-08 21:31 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-08 23:41   ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-09  2:40   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-09  2:49     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-09 18:33     ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-09 18:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-10 12:05         ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-10 22:48           ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-11 23:30             ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-12 10:30               ` Mourad De Clerck
2006-06-12 18:49                 ` Francois Romieu
     [not found]                   ` <448DE38D.8070503@aquazul.com>
2006-06-12 22:29                     ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-18 17:25                       ` Mourad De Clerck [this message]
2006-07-18 22:14               ` Francois Romieu
2006-07-21 13:02                 ` Daniel Drake

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