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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] [VLAN]: Update iif when receiving via VLAN device
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 00:49:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A0647A.1070209@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44A05FE0.7070203@trash.net>

Patrick McHardy wrote:
> All my testing (quite a lot) in this area so far suggested that queueing
> at ingress doesn't work and is actually counter-productive. It gets
> worse with increasing signal propagation delays (signal in this case
> means congestion indications). I actually wish I never introduced
> the stupid IMQ device, it raises false hope and a lot of people seem
> to fall for it.

Small clarification: with queueing at ingress I mean queueing after
the bottleneck. It might work if you introduce a virtual bottleneck,
but in that case in my experience the bandwidth limit you have to use
is dependant on the number of TCP flows, so usually you can't specify
a limit that will always work, and its wasteful if there is a smaller
number of TCP flows. The reason why you would do it, limiting or
prioritizing incoming traffic on the _real_ bottleneck, is not
achievable of course. Also noteworthy is that policers don't behave
any better, and any other schemes I've tried (I also experienced a
lot of with TCP rate control) have similar or related problems.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-26 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26 14:54 [PATCHSET] Towards accurate incoming interface information Thomas Graf
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] [NET]: Use interface index to keep input device information Thomas Graf
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] [VLAN]: Update iif when receiving via VLAN device Thomas Graf
2006-06-26 17:04   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 17:46     ` David Miller
2006-06-26 18:24       ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 18:44       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-26 22:29         ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 22:49           ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2006-06-27 10:03           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 13:07             ` jamal
2006-06-28 10:18               ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-28 12:22                 ` jamal
2006-06-28 13:01                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-28 13:46                     ` jamal
2006-06-29  8:51                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 20:55                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 23:23                         ` jamal
2006-06-29 23:39                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 23:47                             ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:08                               ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:12                                 ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:26                                   ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:29                                     ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:44                                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-30  0:48                                       ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:55                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30  1:18                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:03                             ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:46                               ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30  1:11                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 13:08                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 13:20                                     ` Nicolas Dichtel
     [not found]                                     ` <44A52435.20909@6wind.com>
2006-06-30 13:36                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 13:43                                         ` Nicolas Dichtel
2006-06-30 17:01                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:02                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 13:57                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 14:15                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 14:35                                         ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:40                                           ` Ben Greear
2006-06-30 16:32                                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 17:13                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 17:18                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:32                                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:42                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:44                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 19:40                                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:17                                                       ` David Miller
2006-06-30 17:42                                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 19:34                                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:08                                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 20:42                                                         ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:27                                               ` Ben Greear
2006-06-30 21:09                                               ` jamal
2006-06-30 21:20                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 21:35                                                   ` jamal
2006-06-30 23:22                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01  2:23                                                       ` jamal
2006-07-01 11:51                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01 13:47                                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:19                                             ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:33                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 19:59                                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:30                                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 20:33                                                     ` David Miller
2006-06-30 20:54                                                       ` jamal
2006-06-30 21:10                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 21:31                                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30 23:45                                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01  2:59                                                               ` jamal
2006-07-01 11:28                                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01 13:35                                                                   ` jamal
2006-07-08 10:54                                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-08 14:14                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-08 14:29                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-08 23:46                                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-08 23:48                                                                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 12:52                                                                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 13:17                                                                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 13:33                                                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 14:03                                                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 14:19                                                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 15:00                                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 15:54                                                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 23:06                                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-01  2:47                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:34                                               ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] [PKT_SCHED]: Add iif meta match Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 15:07 ` [PATCHSET] Towards accurate incoming interface information Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 20:24   ` David Miller

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