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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: hadi@cyberus.ca
Cc: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>, Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] [VLAN]: Update iif when receiving via VLAN device
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:40:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A545D0.6060504@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1151678118.5270.45.camel@jzny2>

jamal wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-30-06 at 16:15 +0200, Thomas Graf wrote:

>>You agreed in
>>your last posting that the 3rd option, being that not caring about
>>whether a device might disappear but having a way to check for it,
>>is what we agreed on and what makes most sense, 
> 
> 
> yes, i recalled that as the last discussion we had.
> 
> 
>>yet you fail to see
>>that using ifindex is exactly what reflects this descision.
>>
> 
> 
> The choice is between using an ifindex and a pointer to the device. 
> Why is it solvable via an ifindex but not a device pointer?
> I may have misunderstood you, so look at this as a fresh opportunity to
> enlighten me. Forget about all the discussion weve had thus far.

If you use a pointer, without taking it's reference, then that device
can go away, and leave you with a stale memory access, ie kernel crash
or worse.

If you take a reference for every packet (which means an atomic op), then
you slow down every packet, even those that will never use the reference.

If you instead use the if-index, then you do not need to take a reference
for every packet, but only when you actually want to look at that device.
If the device has since disappeared, then you get a null when trying to find
by reference, and the code can take appropriate action.  No chance for
access of stale memory.

Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-30 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26 14:54 [PATCHSET] Towards accurate incoming interface information Thomas Graf
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] [NET]: Use interface index to keep input device information Thomas Graf
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] [VLAN]: Update iif when receiving via VLAN device Thomas Graf
2006-06-26 17:04   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 17:46     ` David Miller
2006-06-26 18:24       ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 18:44       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-26 22:29         ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-26 22:49           ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-27 10:03           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 13:07             ` jamal
2006-06-28 10:18               ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-28 12:22                 ` jamal
2006-06-28 13:01                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-28 13:46                     ` jamal
2006-06-29  8:51                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 20:55                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 23:23                         ` jamal
2006-06-29 23:39                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-29 23:47                             ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:08                               ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:12                                 ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:26                                   ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:29                                     ` David Miller
2006-06-30  0:44                                       ` Ben Greear
2006-06-30  0:48                                       ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:55                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30  1:18                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:03                             ` jamal
2006-06-30  0:46                               ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30  1:11                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 13:08                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 13:20                                     ` Nicolas Dichtel
2006-06-30 13:57                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 14:15                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 14:35                                         ` jamal
2006-06-30 15:40                                           ` Ben Greear [this message]
2006-06-30 16:32                                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 17:13                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 17:18                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:32                                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:42                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:44                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 19:40                                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:17                                                       ` David Miller
2006-06-30 17:42                                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 19:34                                                     ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:08                                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 20:42                                                         ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:27                                               ` Ben Greear
2006-06-30 21:09                                               ` jamal
2006-06-30 21:20                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 21:35                                                   ` jamal
2006-06-30 23:22                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01  2:23                                                       ` jamal
2006-07-01 11:51                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01 13:47                                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:19                                             ` jamal
2006-06-30 17:33                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 19:59                                                 ` jamal
2006-06-30 20:30                                                   ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 20:33                                                     ` David Miller
2006-06-30 20:54                                                       ` jamal
2006-06-30 21:10                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 21:31                                                           ` jamal
2006-06-30 23:45                                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01  2:59                                                               ` jamal
2006-07-01 11:28                                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-01 13:35                                                                   ` jamal
2006-07-08 10:54                                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-08 14:14                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-08 14:29                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-08 23:46                                                                         ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-08 23:48                                                                           ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 12:52                                                                           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 13:17                                                                             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 13:33                                                                             ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 14:03                                                                               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 14:19                                                                                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 15:00                                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-09 15:54                                                                                     ` Thomas Graf
2006-07-09 23:06                                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-01  2:47                                                   ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:34                                               ` Thomas Graf
     [not found]                                     ` <44A52435.20909@6wind.com>
2006-06-30 13:36                                       ` Thomas Graf
2006-06-30 13:43                                         ` Nicolas Dichtel
2006-06-30 17:01                                       ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-30 17:02                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2006-06-25 22:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] [PKT_SCHED]: Add iif meta match Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 15:07 ` [PATCHSET] Towards accurate incoming interface information Thomas Graf
2006-06-27 20:24   ` David Miller

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