From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Courtier-Dutton Subject: Re: OSS driver removal, 2nd round Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:43:24 +0100 Message-ID: <44A6279C.3000100@superbug.co.uk> References: <20060629192128.GE19712@stusta.de> <44A54D8E.3000002@superbug.co.uk> <20060630163114.GA12874@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <1151702966.32444.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060701073133.GA99126@dspnet.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by alsa.jcu.cz (ALSA's E-mail Delivery System) with ESMTP id E491424D for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:43:27 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: <20060701073133.GA99126@dspnet.fr.eu.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: alsa-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: alsa-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net To: Olivier Galibert , Lee Revell , James Courtier-Dutton , Adrian Bunk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Alan Cox , perex@suse.cz, Olaf Hering List-Id: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org Olivier Galibert wrote: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 05:29:26PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: >> Even if you reject this argument, the bug is in ALSA's in-kernel OSS >> emulation, not the emu10k1 driver. > > That's irrelevant. You can't remove the oss emu10k1 driver in favor > of alsa's until alsa provides an equivalent interface. That's a basic > compatibility requirement. > > >> ALSA's in-kernel OSS emulation does not have these features and >> never will. > > "Never" is terribly long. > > OG. "Never" probably only means terribly long. :-) If one takes the ALSA todo list, that is massive (it is so long in fact, that we have not had time to write it all down!), sort it by priority, then divide by the amount of ALSA developers time available, for this particular feature, the time to implementation is getting very close to "Never". James Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964844AbWGAHn3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 03:43:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964840AbWGAHn3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 03:43:29 -0400 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]:45329 "EHLO anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964844AbWGAHn2 (ORCPT ); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 03:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <44A6279C.3000100@superbug.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:43:24 +0100 From: James Courtier-Dutton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060609) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Galibert , Lee Revell , James Courtier-Dutton , Adrian Bunk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Alan Cox , perex@suse.cz, Olaf Hering Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] OSS driver removal, 2nd round References: <20060629192128.GE19712@stusta.de> <44A54D8E.3000002@superbug.co.uk> <20060630163114.GA12874@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <1151702966.32444.57.camel@mindpipe> <20060701073133.GA99126@dspnet.fr.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20060701073133.GA99126@dspnet.fr.eu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Olivier Galibert wrote: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 05:29:26PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: >> Even if you reject this argument, the bug is in ALSA's in-kernel OSS >> emulation, not the emu10k1 driver. > > That's irrelevant. You can't remove the oss emu10k1 driver in favor > of alsa's until alsa provides an equivalent interface. That's a basic > compatibility requirement. > > >> ALSA's in-kernel OSS emulation does not have these features and >> never will. > > "Never" is terribly long. > > OG. "Never" probably only means terribly long. :-) If one takes the ALSA todo list, that is massive (it is so long in fact, that we have not had time to write it all down!), sort it by priority, then divide by the amount of ALSA developers time available, for this particular feature, the time to implementation is getting very close to "Never". James