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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Randy.Dunlap" <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use uname not sysctl to get the kernel revision
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:29:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44B569C7.3020508@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1k66i8ql5.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com> writes:
> 
>> Jakub Jelinek wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2006 at 12:33:56PM -0700, Ulrich Drepper wrote:
>>>> Roland McGrath wrote:
>>>>> We could also put the uname info (modulo nodename) into the vDSO.
>>>> Or even better: real topology information.
>>> AND rather than OR would be even better.  So glibc could find kernel
>>> version, etc. and topology in the vDSO cheaply.
>> Wouldn't it make more sense for this to be in ELF tags, rather than the vdso?
>> Another alternative, I guess, would be to put a pointer in the ELF tags, which
>> may point into the vdso.
> 
> Cheap and simple access to topology information would be interesting.
> 
> Glibc just wants to know if our kernel is SMP so it can know if it is
> ok to busy wait for a bit waiting for a mutex.  Or if busy waiting is
> a complete loss.
> 
> The practical challenge is that topology information is not fixed but
> potentially varies at runtime.
> 
> Ulrich what would be interesting besides the possibility of having
> multiple cpus?
> 

Something that might make sense to ask CPU vendors for in the future: an 
instruction that can either trap or be a noop (or better, cpu_relax) 
based on a control register.

Not that that solves any problem any time soon.

	-hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-12 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-10 22:39 [PATCH] sysctl: Document that sys_sysctl will be removed Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-10 22:50 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-07-11  4:10   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-11  7:07     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 16:25       ` [PATCH] Use uname not sysctl to get the kernel revision Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 16:50         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-12 17:42           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 23:24             ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-12 23:31               ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-13  0:12                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-13  2:33                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 12:15                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-12 23:44               ` Steve Munroe
2006-07-14 18:49                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-14 19:09                   ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-13  0:19               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 18:44           ` Roland McGrath
2006-07-12 19:33             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-12 19:53               ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-07-12 20:09                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 21:23                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 21:29                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 21:56                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 22:01                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 22:02                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 22:26                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-12 22:31                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 23:07                               ` Alan Cox
2006-07-12 23:19                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-13 11:15                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-07-14 18:45                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-14 19:11                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-12 21:29                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-12 21:33                     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-13  5:17                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-13  6:27                       ` Ian Wienand
2006-07-13 14:39                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 15:05                         ` Arjan van de Ven
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-13  5:00 Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13  5:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-13  6:09   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13  6:13     ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13  6:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 16:15   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13 16:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-07-13 17:06       ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-13 15:20 ` Eric W. Biederman

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