From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tBf-0007rP-O8 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:05:19 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tBe-0007rB-BF for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:05:19 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tBe-0007r8-6t for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:05:18 -0400 Received: from [217.146.177.214] (helo=web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6tDu-0007yk-A6 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:05:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Karlos ." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1687898796-1154196313=:24066" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org --0-1687898796-1154196313=:24066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. Open the code unless you have something to hide. --------------------------------- LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-1687898796-1154196313=:24066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.

Open the code unless you have something to hide.


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http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-1687898796-1154196313=:24066-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tIa-0001WG-6g for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:12:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tIX-0001Uq-EH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:12:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tIX-0001Un-97 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:12:25 -0400 Received: from [194.228.2.92] (helo=smtp-out4.iol.cz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6tKn-0000Hm-MW for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:14:45 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 20:12:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Karel Gardas Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: QEMU Development Mailing List , karlos_vigo@yahoo.es On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Karlos . wrote: > > QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. > > Open the code unless you have something to hide. Karlos, do you think it's ethical to attack Fabrice for his kernel module license choice? Please consider what you've done for Qemu yourself, what Qemu user/developers community gained from your work on Qemu. If you have not provided anything, then please just think about it next time you're going to attack somebody who provided a lot. Thanks, Karel -- Karel Gardas kgardas@objectsecurity.com ObjectSecurity Ltd. http://www.objectsecurity.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tJs-00025a-F6 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:48 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tJq-000256-ME for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:47 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6tJq-00024w-HW for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:46 -0400 Received: from [204.127.225.94] (helo=alnrmhc11.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6tM7-0000Ok-1N for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:16:07 -0400 Message-ID: <44CBA558.7010104@win4lin.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400 From: "Leonardo E. Reiter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to license it how he wants. Or... you can develop your own version, or use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86. - Leo Reiter Karlos . wrote: > > QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. > > Open the code unless you have something to hide. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Leonardo E. Reiter Vice President of Product Development, CTO Win4Lin, Inc. Virtual Computing that means Business Main: +1 512 339 7979 Fax: +1 512 532 6501 http://www.win4lin.com From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6wnL-0001gr-50 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:56:27 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6wnJ-0001fk-FJ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:56:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6wnI-0001fO-1d for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:56:24 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.177] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6wpa-0007kI-HC for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:58:46 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so196346pyd for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:56:22 -0700 From: "Jonathan Kalbfeld" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU. What else can I use to boot windows 2k on my sun blade 2000 at work? jonathan On 7/29/06, Karel Gardas wrote: > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Karlos . wrote: > > > > > QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. > > > > Open the code unless you have something to hide. > > Karlos, > > do you think it's ethical to attack Fabrice for his kernel module license > choice? Please consider what you've done for Qemu yourself, what Qemu > user/developers community gained from your work on Qemu. If you have not > provided anything, then please just think about it next time you're going > to attack somebody who provided a lot. > > Thanks, > Karel > -- > Karel Gardas kgardas@objectsecurity.com > ObjectSecurity Ltd. http://www.objectsecurity.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > -- -- Jonathan Kalbfeld +1 323 620 6682 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6x7D-0003hK-0E for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:16:59 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6x7A-0003h8-KH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:16:57 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6x7A-0003h5-Dn for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:16:56 -0400 Received: from [65.24.5.136] (helo=ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G6x9T-0000wH-7j for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:19:19 -0400 Received: from r51.oakcourt.dyndns.org (cpe-65-24-47-209.columbus.res.rr.com [65.24.47.209]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6TMGrob008771 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature From: Andrew Barr In-Reply-To: References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:16:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1154211411.7021.3.camel@r51.oakcourt.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 14:56 -0700, Jonathan Kalbfeld wrote: > To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU. > > What else can I use to boot windows 2k on my sun blade 2000 at work? > > jonathan I have never seen anyone say why KQEMU is closed, though, at least beyond any speculation. And I've searched the mailing list archives at Gmane, reading the long thread from when KQEMU was new and the various threads since then. I certainly respect that as the author of the code Fabrice has made that choice, but I'd just be interested to know why. QVM86 was a viable alternative in my mind, at least until KQEMU got kernel-mode virtualization. Oh, well. Andrew From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6xRP-0005AS-JH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:37:51 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G6xRM-00054e-9U for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:37:51 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G6xRL-00054K-WA for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:37:48 -0400 Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G6xTe-0002EO-Se for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:40:11 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1G6xRA-0003ry-PC for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:37:36 +0200 Received: from cpe-70-116-9-243.austin.res.rr.com ([70.116.9.243]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:37:36 +0200 Received: from anthony by cpe-70-116-9-243.austin.res.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 00:37:36 +0200 From: Anthony Liguori Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:37:05 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44CBA558.7010104@win4lin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: news Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Please don't feed the trolls :-) Best thing to do is just ignore messages like this. Regards, Anthony Liguori On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400, Leonardo E. Reiter wrote: > Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to > license it how he wants. Or... you can develop your own version, or > use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86. > > - Leo Reiter > > Karlos . wrote: >> >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. >> >> Open the code unless you have something to hide. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7F3Q-0005kp-OR for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:26:16 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7F3P-0005kC-92 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:26:16 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7F3P-0005k9-4Y for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:26:15 -0400 Received: from [217.146.177.219] (helo=web27515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7F5s-0006xu-SL for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:28:49 -0400 Message-ID: <20060730172610.70282.qmail@web27515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:26:10 +0200 (CEST) From: "Karlos ." Subject: RE: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2023592885-1154280370=:70168" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org --0-2023592885-1154280370=:70168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical. Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it. Anthony Liguori escribió: Please don't feed the trolls :-) Best thing to do is just ignore messages like this. Regards, Anthony Liguori On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400, Leonardo E. Reiter wrote: > Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to > license it how he wants. Or... you can develop your own version, or > use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86. > > - Leo Reiter > > Karlos . wrote: >> >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. >> >> Open the code unless you have something to hide. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Qemu-devel mailing list Qemu-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel --------------------------------- LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-2023592885-1154280370=:70168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.

Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.


Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> escribió:
Please don't feed the trolls :-) Best thing to do is just ignore messages
like this.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:13:44 -0400, Leonardo E. Reiter wrote:

> Don't use it if you don't like the license... the author has the right to
> license it how he wants. Or... you can develop your own version, or
> use/contribute to the open source alternative, qvm86.
>
> - Leo Reiter
>
> Karlos . wrote:
>>
>> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.
>>
>> Open the code unless you have something to hide.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------




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http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-2023592885-1154280370=:70168-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7GGa-00056G-IS for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7GGZ-000564-E2 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7GGZ-000561-AF for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:43:55 -0400 Received: from [64.233.184.238] (helo=wr-out-0506.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7GJ3-0004Bj-Vg for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:46:30 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so162117wri for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a6cde920607301143t2385ffa8od0b376abd6124b44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:43:52 +0100 From: "Ricardo Almeida" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: <20060730172610.70282.qmail@web27515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060730172610.70282.qmail@web27515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote: > I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical. You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu. > Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it. You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said: > >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?! > >> Open the code unless you have something to hide. Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it away for free. Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p Regards, Ricardo Almeida From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Giu-0004BI-M6 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:13:12 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Git-0004B6-6u for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:13:12 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Git-0004B3-37 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:13:11 -0400 Received: from [217.146.177.213] (helo=web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7GlN-0006LP-Re for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:11:39 +0200 (CEST) From: "Karlos ." Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: <8a6cde920607301143t2385ffa8od0b376abd6124b44@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-692794053-1154286699=:85003" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org --0-692794053-1154286699=:85003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that i didnt it. "Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not an order. Everybody has an ethic, me too. And in my ethic this behavior is not ethic, im sorry. Ricardo Almeida escribió: On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote: > I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical. You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu. > Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it. You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said: > >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?! > >> Open the code unless you have something to hide. Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it away for free. Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p Regards, Ricardo Almeida _______________________________________________ Qemu-devel mailing list Qemu-devel@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel --------------------------------- LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-692794053-1154286699=:85003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that i didnt it.

"Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not an order.

Everybody has an ethic, me too. And in my ethic this behavior is not ethic, im sorry.



Ricardo Almeida <ric.almeida@gmail.com> escribió:
On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote:
> I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical.

You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu.

> Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it.

You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree
with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed
or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said:

> >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical.

Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board?!

> >> Open the code unless you have something to hide.

Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it
could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider
yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it
away for free.

Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you
seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p

Regards,
Ricardo Almeida


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http://es.voice.yahoo.com --0-692794053-1154286699=:85003-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Hnw-0001oG-5A for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:22:28 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Hnu-0001ns-Hs for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:22:27 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7Hnu-0001no-Cm for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:22:26 -0400 Received: from [64.233.182.190] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7HqQ-00033L-05 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:25:02 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so270866nfc for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2781f020607301322k1408c9eegd0e25e8570da34b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:22:25 -0400 From: "Joseph Stewart" Subject: Re: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8a6cde920607301143t2385ffa8od0b376abd6124b44@mail.gmail.com> <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org I am ethic and my ethic is: "All your base are belong to us", am this your ethic, too? On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote: > I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume th= at > i didnt it. > > "Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not an > order. > > Everybody has an ethic, me too. And in my ethic this behavior is not ethi= c, > im sorry. > > > > Ricardo Almeida escribi=F3: > On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote: > > I dont use kqemu because i think its license is not ethical. > > You can do what you want. Nobody is forcing you to use kqemu. > > > Its my opinion. Please dont call me troll if you dont like it. > > You're a troll, not because you don't use kqemu because you disagree > with its licence, but because instead of asking why is the code closed > or what are the conditions required to open it are, you said: > > > >> QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. > > Who are you to define what is ethical? Do you belong to any ethical board= ?! > > > >> Open the code unless you have something to hide. > > Who are you to order something? Fabrice develop it free to you, it > could be a paid addon... Have you though of it? You should consider > yourself lucky that someone develops such a great tool and gives it > away for free. > > Think before you talk (write in this case), then people can take you > seriosly. Until then, I'm sorry, but you're a troll :p > > Regards, > Ricardo Almeida > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > > > > ________________________________ > > LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. > Llamadas a fijos y m=F3viles desde 1 c=E9ntimo por minuto. > http://es.voice.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Qemu-devel mailing list > Qemu-devel@nongnu.org > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/qemu-devel > > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7IRa-0007eb-E2 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:03:26 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7IRZ-0007bW-2s for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:03:26 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7IRY-0007bH-Sl for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:03:24 -0400 Received: from [64.233.166.179] (helo=py-out-1112.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7IU4-00065q-PH for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:06:00 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so416485pyd for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2ad73a0607301402s7934f0e2ve30ab67989519f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:02:45 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Braga?=" Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature In-Reply-To: <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8a6cde920607301143t2385ffa8od0b376abd6124b44@mail.gmail.com> <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org On 7/30/06, Karlos . wrote: > I asked lot of times before my first email why its closed. Dont assume that > i didnt it. Look, I'm subscribed to this list for more than two years now (since at least 18/July/2004), and I've never seen a SINGLE message from you. Fabrice already said he'd gladly open up the source for KQEMU IF, and ONLY IF, some company would provide him solid funding. He's trying to make a living there, you know? People who were uncomfortable with the closed source status of KQEMU then wrote qvm86. You don't like KQEMU's closed status? Then use qvm86. It's that simple. The source is closed because he so saw fit. It's his code, he CAN do it. And it's been obviously reverse-engineered by anyone able to run strace and objdump. (p.s.: I'm not by any means implying that the qvm86 authors reverse-engineered the closed part of KQEMU to derive qvm86's code. I meant that anyone with some skill could have reverse-engineered KQEMU enough [since it's so small] to check for any rogue/suspicious activities). From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JBp-0007O0-V8 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:51:14 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JBo-0007NQ-Dg for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:51:13 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JBo-0007NN-7n for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:51:12 -0400 Received: from [81.29.64.88] (helo=mail.shareable.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7JEK-0001GZ-Cc for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53:48 -0400 Received: from mail.shareable.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6ULpA8L007362 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:51:10 +0100 Received: (from jamie@localhost) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8/Submit) id k6ULpA84007360 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:51:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:51:10 +0100 From: Jamie Lokier Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature Message-ID: <20060730215110.GC6255@mail.shareable.org> References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Karlos . wrote: > QEMU Accelerator license is not ethical. > Open the code unless you have something to hide. Well it's not ethical to force someone to work against their wishes either. And many would say it's not ethical to demand someone to license their own work in a way they don't agree with. So if _you_ don't agree with the Accelerator license, the ethical thing for you to do, Karlos, is to write your own version of the Accelerator and make it available with whatever license you think is best. Immho, -- Jamie From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JE3-0001EU-Sw for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53:31 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JE2-0001C7-F4 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53:31 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JE2-0001C2-A7 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:53:30 -0400 Received: from [81.29.64.88] (helo=mail.shareable.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7JGY-0001MN-Fy for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:56:06 -0400 Received: from mail.shareable.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6ULrSpU007469 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:53:28 +0100 Received: (from jamie@localhost) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8/Submit) id k6ULrSQ5007467 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:53:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:53:28 +0100 From: Jamie Lokier Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature Message-ID: <20060730215328.GD6255@mail.shareable.org> References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Jonathan Kalbfeld wrote: > To be honest, I'd be willing to PAY Fabrice for QEMU. Well, have you donated? :) Personally, I'd be willing to pay Fabrice for the Accelerator if it were open source. But I don't pay for closed source software unless it's unavoidable. But each is entitled to make their own decision, and that's best. -- Jamie From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JLt-000655-Ha for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:01:37 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JLr-00064S-Ts for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:01:37 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JLr-00064L-Pw for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:01:35 -0400 Received: from [131.111.8.130] (helo=ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7JOO-0001oV-68 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:04:12 -0400 From: Mark Williamson Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Accelerator feature Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:01:27 +0100 References: <20060729180513.24200.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060730215328.GD6255@mail.shareable.org> In-Reply-To: <20060730215328.GD6255@mail.shareable.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607302301.27490.mark.williamson@cl.cam.ac.uk> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org > Well, have you donated? :) Is there a way to donate? Couldn't find anything on the main site. > Personally, I'd be willing to pay Fabrice for the Accelerator if it > were open source. But I don't pay for closed source software unless > it's unavoidable. But each is entitled to make their own decision, > and that's best. I'd donate money to the cause of opening the accelerator code: for instance, I'd pay towards a target "bounty" for the opening of the code. I imagine others would too. It is of course up to Fabrice whether he wants to do this: stable funding from a distributor would obviously be much better and enable him to do more work on QEmu in the future. I'm just pointing out there are other options open to him if he wished to take them ;-) Cheers, Mark From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JMV-0006JZ-Th for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:02:15 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JMT-0006I2-PG for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:02:15 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7JMS-0006Hu-Jh for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:02:12 -0400 Received: from [81.29.64.88] (helo=mail.shareable.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1G7JOy-0001sM-Rh for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:04:49 -0400 Received: from mail.shareable.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6UM2AhP007878 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:02:10 +0100 Received: (from jamie@localhost) by mail.shareable.org (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8/Submit) id k6UM2Awe007876 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:02:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 23:02:10 +0100 From: Jamie Lokier Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Accelerator feature Message-ID: <20060730220210.GE6255@mail.shareable.org> References: <8a6cde920607301143t2385ffa8od0b376abd6124b44@mail.gmail.com> <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060730191139.85731.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Reply-To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org List-Id: qemu-devel.nongnu.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Karlos . wrote: > "Open the code unless you have something to hide." was an advice, not > an order. Ok. Maybe English is not your first language. To a native English speaker, the sentence you wrote is very clearly written as an order. If you want to advise, a way to write is is: I think it would be better to open the code. (And give reasons why). -- Jamie