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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: Jamal Hadi Salim <hadi@cyberus.ca>,
	Christophe Devriese <Christophe.Devriese@eurid.eu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linville's L2 rant... -- Re: PATCH Fix bonding active-backup behavior for VLAN interfaces
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:21:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44CF8D8A.5080101@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060801170329.GG29208@tuxdriver.com>

John W. Linville wrote:

>>>I'm just not sure that cleverness is worth the headache, especially
>>>since the most clever things usually only work by accident...
>>
>>Or, work by solid, modular design and small tweaks!
> 
> 
> Point taken.  But stashing little hacks in the networking core for
> specific virtual drivers isn't totally modular either.  And even if
> it were, "modular design" probably belongs on the list of "things
> that can be taken too far", like "everything in userland", "never
> use ioctl", and "microkernels are superior". :-)

To be honest, I'm not over-joyed to see bridging hooks included
in the VLAN code..but if that is what it takes to get bridging
and VLANs to play well and be flexible, I think it is a fair price.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to have someone take a holistic view of the
various L2 device interactions.  Just documenting current functionality
on, say, the netdev wiki would be a good first step.

Thanks,
Ben

-- 
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com


  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-01 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-28  9:44 PATCH Fix bonding active-backup behavior for VLAN interfaces Christophe Devriese
2006-07-28 16:01 ` Ben Greear
2006-07-28 21:50   ` Christophe Devriese
2006-07-28 21:55     ` Ben Greear
2006-07-28 22:15       ` Christophe Devriese
     [not found]       ` <20060728221455.GA25610@walrus.eth1.org>
     [not found]         ` <44CA8AF1.3020408@candelatech.com>
2006-07-28 22:58           ` Christophe Devriese
2006-07-28 22:55             ` David Miller
2006-07-28 23:14               ` Ben Greear
2006-07-31  3:50       ` David Miller
2006-07-31  8:15         ` Christophe Devriese
2006-07-31 12:30           ` Linville's L2 rant... -- " John W. Linville
2006-07-31 16:48             ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-01  1:39             ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-01 12:08               ` John W. Linville
2006-08-01 12:33                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-01 16:10                   ` Ben Greear
2006-08-01 16:52                     ` John W. Linville
2006-08-01 17:04                       ` Ben Greear
2006-08-01 19:47                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-08-01 16:48                   ` John W. Linville
2006-08-01 16:17                 ` Ben Greear
2006-08-01 17:03                   ` John W. Linville
2006-08-01 17:21                     ` Ben Greear [this message]
2006-08-02  9:02                       ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-02 17:37                         ` Stackable devices Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-02 17:50                           ` Ben Greear
2006-08-08 12:03                             ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-08 16:36                               ` Ben Greear
2006-08-09 13:57                                 ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-12 18:43                                   ` Ben Greear
2006-08-12 19:29                                   ` Ben Greear
2006-08-02 20:58           ` PATCH Fix bonding active-backup behavior for VLAN interfaces David Miller
2006-08-03  9:18             ` Krzysztof Oledzki
2006-08-10 18:18               ` Krzysztof Oledzki
2006-08-11  6:45                 ` David Miller
2006-08-11  8:50                   ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-11  8:53                     ` David Miller
2006-08-14  8:16                   ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-14  8:47                     ` David Miller
2006-08-14  8:47                     ` David Miller
2006-08-03 13:34             ` Christophe Devriese
2006-08-04  1:01             ` Jay Vosburgh
2006-08-15  0:09               ` David Miller
2006-08-15 22:18                 ` Jay Vosburgh
2006-08-15 22:27                   ` David Miller
2006-08-16 19:30                 ` Krzysztof Oledzki
2006-08-20 19:41                 ` Christophe Devriese

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