From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
greg@kroah.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: A proposal - binary
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:27:26 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D26A3E.5080603@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1154639566.23655.132.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Alan Cox wrote:
> Ar Iau, 2006-08-03 am 22:29 +0200, ysgrifennodd Willy Tarreau:
>
>> I think that the issue Zach tried to cover is the current inability to
>> keep the same binary module across multiple kernel versions. That's why
>> he compared modules<->kernel to ELF<->glibc. In that sense, he's right.
>>
>
> I think thats why he's wrong.
>
> The interface for a hypedvisor is
>
> Kernel -> Something -> Hypedvisor
>
> The kernel->something interface can change randomly by day of week, who
> cares. A better analogy would be a device driver - we recompile device
> drivers each kernel variant, which change their internal interfaces, we
> redesign their locking but we don't have to change the hardware.
>
> Ditto talking to the hypedvisor. The ABI is the hypedvisor syscall/trap
> interface not the kernel module interface. As such insmod is just fine.
>
Yes, the module issue is completely tangential. We would like to have
the ability to load a hypervisor module at run-time, and this may be
slightly nicer from a GPL point of view, by allowing us to publish a GPL
module that interfaces to the kernel. But the Something layer really is
more like firmware, and merely making a GPL'd module interface to it
doesn't actually change the underlying legal / technical ramifications
that Alan pointed out.
Zach
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-03 21:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-03 10:14 A proposal - binary Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 11:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-03 12:16 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 15:17 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 16:05 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-03 17:57 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:29 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 18:47 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:08 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:03 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:14 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:36 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:56 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 19:59 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:25 ` Options depending on STANDALONE Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 20:28 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:41 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 23:40 ` [v4l-dvb-maintainer] " Trent Piepho
2006-08-05 10:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-06 11:18 ` Oliver Endriss
2006-08-13 16:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-14 21:15 ` Trent Piepho
2006-08-27 21:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 19:48 ` A proposal - binary linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-08-04 6:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-03 21:03 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 20:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-08-03 21:12 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 21:27 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-08-03 15:35 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 18:36 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:45 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 22:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-06 22:59 ` Greg KH
2006-08-08 0:12 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08 0:42 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-09 7:43 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 19:06 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:26 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 20:01 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 21:41 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:33 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 22:30 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 22:49 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:31 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 23:30 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 23:40 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 10:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 14:34 ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-05 0:06 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-08-04 8:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04 2:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 2:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 4:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 5:04 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 5:04 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 5:53 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 7:04 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 7:04 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 7:21 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 8:29 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 8:29 ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 16:57 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 18:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 18:46 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 19:06 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:26 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 19:45 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 20:11 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 20:31 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:26 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 21:40 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2006-08-04 22:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 22:45 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:45 ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 19:49 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:46 ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 22:40 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 5:40 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 5:40 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 6:28 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 7:01 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 7:01 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 7:19 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 7:37 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 7:37 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:41 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:41 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:52 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:52 ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05 1:14 ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05 5:37 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 5:37 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:50 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05 11:50 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 22:01 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:01 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:39 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:39 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:52 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:52 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:43 ` David Lang
2006-08-05 10:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 10:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:57 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05 11:57 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05 1:30 ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05 4:33 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 4:33 ` Zachary Amsden
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