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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Kimball Murray <kimball.murray@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@digeo.com
Subject: Re: [Feature] x86_64 page tracking for Stratus servers
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:36:16 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44FE9690.7060008@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200609060936.19268.ak@suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:

>>Silly question, why can't you do all this from stop_machine_run context (or
>>your SMI) that doesn't have to worry about other CPUs dirtying memory?
>>
>
>Because that would be too slow for continuous mirroring.
>
>You can't go through 10+GB of virtual memory (or more with shared 
>memory because the scan has to be virtual) in an interrupt.
>
>The only sane way is to do it continuously.
>

Presumably it is not continuous but there are checkpoints, and in the
worst case, enforcement of a checkpoint will require an SMI.

But OK, heuristically I'm sure it is much quicker to already have most
memory saved. I guess this is a requirement otherwise they would have
done it the obvious way... but my question is just about what exact
requirement does this satisfy that a stop_machine would not.

>
>>[*] Though if it gets included, it would not stop me lamenting the
>>proliferation of complexities to support *tiny* obscure userbases. Can
>>we wait until your hardware is smart enough to snoop the cc? :)
>>
>
>
>My guess is that if we had a generic memory mirror subsystem other people would
>find uses for it too. e.g. a lot of systems support spare DIMMs these days and mirroring
>some memory to it seems like a smart idea. That means normally the hardware
>does it, but perhaps some stuff can be done better by doing it in software.
>
>Or it is also a bit similar to the algorithms Xen uses for live migration.
>If that was implemented on the kernel level something like this might 
>be useful too. I think OpenVZ has some kind of migration support, but it's
>currently not live.
>

Yep, I'm not saying it couldn't be useful.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-06  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-05 17:34 [Feature] x86_64 page tracking for Stratus servers Kimball Murray
2006-09-05 17:40 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-05 18:38   ` Kimball Murray
2006-09-05 20:48     ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-05 17:56 ` Dave Hansen
2006-09-05 18:50   ` Kimball Murray
2006-09-05 18:16 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-06  6:38 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-06  7:36   ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-06  9:36     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-09-06 15:10     ` Kimball Murray
2006-09-06 14:10   ` Kimball Murray

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