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From: Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
To: Kim Phillips <kim.phillips@freescale.com>
Cc: sfr@canb.auug.org.au, paulus@samba.org, linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [POWERPC] convert string i/o operations to C
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:58:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45103DF0.9050409@genesi-usa.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060919135259.303706d3.kim.phillips@freescale.com>

Shouldn't this stuff be optimized out depending on what processor you're 
ACTUALLY running?

For a generic "powerpc" kernel it can be understood, but when you 
consider that on 970/POWER4 and above they use lwsync instead of sync
(google for them and see the mailing list posts :), just to breathe back 
some performance in spinlocks and so on, surely this can be rejigged so 
that processors don't do more work than necessary..? Even a noop takes 
time doesn't it?

-- 
Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
Genesi, Manager, Developer Relations

Kim Phillips wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:29:53 -0500
> linas@austin.ibm.com (Linas Vepstas) wrote:
> 
>> What does this twi do? According to my powerpc docs, this would be a
>> no-op.  Does this have some magic synchronizing powers on certain
>> implementations? If so, there should be at least a comment card added
>> about why the twi is there. (This special ability of twi might be
>> well-known to some, but still, this is not immediately obvious,
>> and not immedately documented in e.g. the PEM.)
> 
> include/asm-p[ower]pc/io.h sheds some light on the matter:
> 
>  * With the sequence below (twi; isync; nop), we have found that
>  * the machine check occurs on one of the three instructions on
>  * all PPC implementations tested so far.  The twi and isync are
>  * needed on the 601 (in fact twi; sync works too), the isync and
>  * nop are needed on 604[e|r], and any of twi, sync or isync will
>  * work on 603[e], 750, 74xx.
>  * The twi creates an explicit data dependency on the returned
>  * value which seems to be needed to make the 601 wait for the
>  * load to finish.
> 
> Kim
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-19 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-19 12:23 [POWERPC] convert string i/o operations to C Stephen Rothwell
2006-09-19 12:42 ` David Howells
2006-09-19 23:07   ` Stephen Rothwell
2006-09-19 18:29 ` Linas Vepstas
2006-09-19 18:52   ` Kim Phillips
2006-09-19 18:58     ` Matt Sealey [this message]
2006-09-19 19:10       ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-19 19:20         ` Matt Sealey
2006-09-19 19:47           ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-19 23:17           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-19 23:14       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-19 19:04     ` Linas Vepstas
2006-09-19 19:06   ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-19 23:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-20  0:03     ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-20  0:08       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-09-20  0:29         ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-20  3:35 ` Stephen Rothwell
2006-09-20  4:38   ` Michael Ellerman

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