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From: Eddie Kohler <kohler@cs.ucla.edu>
To: dccp@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dccp] Packet size s on CCID3
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:30:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45141DB5.80209@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5640c7e00609202022j1b97cf1g30797ffcd9b650b6@mail.gmail.com>

> It is actually the opposite of what you say here. If you do the maths
> and set s large then you can send more packets per second than what
> you should be able to.

While this is true, note that the draft explicitly allows implementations to 
use the maximum segment size (i.e. the largest value possible) for s!  So we 
are not THAT concerned about this kind of lying.

The bad case would be using one value of "s" to calculate "X", and then using 
a DIFFERENT value of "s" to calculate the packet rate from "X".  As long as 
the same value of "s" is used to calculate "X" and to calculate the packet 
rate from "X", the "s"s cancel out, as Ian points out.  For mostly-fixed-size 
applications, no problem; the network will provide whatever feedback is 
appropriate.

Why do we have "s" at all?  "s" helps account for applications that vary their 
packet size over the long term.  E.g., 20 RTT of packet size X, alternating 
with 20 RTT of packet size 3X.  We do not have simulations demonstrating what 
affect an incorrect "s" value would have in such a situation.  It would be 
interesting to see some data.

As Sally points out as well, the draft explicitly allows implementations to 
cancel out the "s" (by assuming s=MSS), calculating rates in packets per 
second only.

Eddie


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-09-22 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-21  3:22 Packet size s on CCID3 Ian McDonald
2006-09-21 16:19 ` [dccp] " Gorry Fairhurst
2006-09-21 23:37 ` Ian McDonald
2006-09-22 13:26 ` Sally Floyd
2006-09-22 13:42 ` Gerrit Renker
2006-09-22 17:30 ` Eddie Kohler [this message]
2006-09-26 12:19 ` [dccp] " Gorry Fairhurst
2006-10-03  3:26 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03  3:40 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03 15:43 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 15:50 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 18:15 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03 18:18 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 19:48 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-04 16:20 ` Eddie Kohler

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