From: Eddie Kohler <kohler@cs.ucla.edu>
To: dccp@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [dccp] Packet size s on CCID3
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:30:29 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45141DB5.80209@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5640c7e00609202022j1b97cf1g30797ffcd9b650b6@mail.gmail.com>
> It is actually the opposite of what you say here. If you do the maths
> and set s large then you can send more packets per second than what
> you should be able to.
While this is true, note that the draft explicitly allows implementations to
use the maximum segment size (i.e. the largest value possible) for s! So we
are not THAT concerned about this kind of lying.
The bad case would be using one value of "s" to calculate "X", and then using
a DIFFERENT value of "s" to calculate the packet rate from "X". As long as
the same value of "s" is used to calculate "X" and to calculate the packet
rate from "X", the "s"s cancel out, as Ian points out. For mostly-fixed-size
applications, no problem; the network will provide whatever feedback is
appropriate.
Why do we have "s" at all? "s" helps account for applications that vary their
packet size over the long term. E.g., 20 RTT of packet size X, alternating
with 20 RTT of packet size 3X. We do not have simulations demonstrating what
affect an incorrect "s" value would have in such a situation. It would be
interesting to see some data.
As Sally points out as well, the draft explicitly allows implementations to
cancel out the "s" (by assuming s=MSS), calculating rates in packets per
second only.
Eddie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-22 17:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-21 3:22 Packet size s on CCID3 Ian McDonald
2006-09-21 16:19 ` [dccp] " Gorry Fairhurst
2006-09-21 23:37 ` Ian McDonald
2006-09-22 13:26 ` Sally Floyd
2006-09-22 13:42 ` Gerrit Renker
2006-09-22 17:30 ` Eddie Kohler [this message]
2006-09-26 12:19 ` [dccp] " Gorry Fairhurst
2006-10-03 3:26 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03 3:40 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03 15:43 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 15:50 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 18:15 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-03 18:18 ` Eddie Kohler
2006-10-03 19:48 ` Ian McDonald
2006-10-04 16:20 ` Eddie Kohler
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