From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Patrick McHardy Subject: Re: nfq_set_verdict_mark Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:02:53 +0200 Message-ID: <452CB33D.8060908@trash.net> References: <986D9B66-68B6-4A02-9762-40224E145496@cadvium.net> <4521284C.2070000@netfilter.org> <452B2D9A.7080702@trash.net> <452C33FE.6060902@netfilter.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Robert Scott , netfilter-devel@lists.netfilter.org Return-path: To: Pablo Neira Ayuso In-Reply-To: <452C33FE.6060902@netfilter.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: netfilter-devel-bounces@lists.netfilter.org Errors-To: netfilter-devel-bounces@lists.netfilter.org List-Id: netfilter-devel.vger.kernel.org Pablo Neira Ayuso wrote: > Patrick McHardy wrote: > >>I'm beginning to wonder how much more kludges we will have in these >>libraries by continuing to treat them as stable without having had >>even a single beta version. > > > OK, I start thinking that I'm getting obsessed with breaking current > deployed apps :(. I also think that we can solve this minor annoying > issues by fixing the problem and then releasing a new version asap. I checked google code-search and the two users I could find already do the conversion manually, so they will break. Thats definitely not good, but I wonder if we should trust that this will be the last of these bugs or if we should clearly mark this as beta/unstable API and appologize for not beeing clear from the beginning. Its just not a good idea to release a library with an interface that is more or less cast in stone without any real testing. > The current release process is too slow, I have the impression that > nobody is using the lastest official releases. For conntrackd, I'm > currently doing unnofficial releases of libnetfilter_conntrack because > the official release is broken with NAT handlings, well apart from the > fact that I also introduce some patches with new features that I need. You're probably right (about people not using official releases) and definitely right about releasing too seldom. > Just tell you that I don't mind about spending some time on > administration tasks like releases and any other stuff related with the > website if that can help to speed up the release process. I worked on > some scripts to automate the release process time ago after the workshop > that I can recover. That would be great. Let me know if you need anything (I think I recall your keys expired?).