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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [NET] Size listen hash tables using backlog hint
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:34:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45371C8D.20603@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061018.231218.74744257.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller a écrit :
> From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:12:58 +0200
> 
>> A 66 MHz 486 can perform 1.000.000 divisions per second. Is it a 'slow' cpu ?
> 
> Sparc and some other embedded chips have no division/modulus integer
> instruction and do it in software.

How many times this division will be done ? As I said, tcp session establishment.

Are you aware a division is done in slab code when you kfree() one network 
frames ? That is much more problematic than SYN packets.

> 
>> So... what do you prefer :
>>
>> 1) Keep the modulus
>> 2) allocate two blocks of ram (powser-of -two hash size, but one extra 
>> indirection)
>> 3) waste near half of ram because one block allocated, and power-of-two hash size.
> 
> I thought the problem was that you use a modulus and non-power-of-2
> hash table size because rounding up to the next power of 2 wastes
> a lot of space?  Given that, my suggestion is simply to not round
> up to the next power-of-2, or only do so when we are very very close
> to that next power-of-2.

My main problem is being able to use a large hash table on big servers.

With power-of two constraint, plus kmalloc max size constraint, we can use 
half the size we could.

Are you suggesting something like :

Allocation time:
----------------
if (cpu is very_very_slow or hash size small_enough) {
   ptr->size = power_of_too;
   ptr->size_mask = (power_of_two - 1);
} else {
   ptr->size = somevalue;
   ptr->size_mask = ~0;
}

Lookup time :
---------------
if (ptr->size_mask != ~0)
     slot = hash & ptr->size_mask;
else
     slot = hash % ptr->size;

The extra conditional branch may be more expensive than just doing division on 
99% of cpus...


  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-19  6:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-17  0:53 [PATCH] Bound TSO defer time (resend) John Heffner
2006-10-17  3:20 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-10-17  4:18   ` John Heffner
2006-10-17  5:35     ` David Miller
2006-10-17 12:22       ` John Heffner
2006-10-19  3:39         ` David Miller
2006-10-17 12:58       ` [PATCH] [NET] Size listen hash tables using backlog hint Eric Dumazet Hi
2006-10-18  7:38         ` [PATCH] [NET] inet_peer : group together avl_left, avl_right, v4daddr to speedup lookups on some CPUS Eric Dumazet
2006-10-18 16:35           ` [PATCH] [NET] reduce per cpu ram used for loopback stats Eric Dumazet
2006-10-18 17:00             ` [PATCH, resent] " Eric Dumazet
2006-10-19  3:53               ` David Miller
2006-10-19  3:53             ` [PATCH] " David Miller
2006-10-19  3:44           ` [PATCH] [NET] inet_peer : group together avl_left, avl_right, v4daddr to speedup lookups on some CPUS David Miller
2006-10-19 10:57           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-19 15:45             ` [PATCH] [NET] One NET_INC_STATS() could be NET_INC_STATS_BH in tcp_v4_err() Eric Dumazet
2006-10-20  7:22               ` David Miller
2006-10-20 14:21                 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2006-10-20  7:28             ` [PATCH] [NET] inet_peer : group together avl_left, avl_right, v4daddr to speedup lookups on some CPUS David Miller
2006-10-19  3:31         ` [PATCH] [NET] Size listen hash tables using backlog hint David Miller
2006-10-19  4:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-10-19  5:08             ` David Miller
2006-10-19  5:12           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-19  6:12             ` David Miller
2006-10-19  6:34               ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2006-10-19  6:57                 ` David Miller
2006-10-19  8:29                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-19  8:41                     ` David Miller
2006-10-19  9:11                       ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-19  9:27         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-20  7:27           ` David Miller
2006-10-18 15:37     ` [PATCH] Bound TSO defer time (resend) Andi Kleen
2006-10-18 16:40       ` Stephen Hemminger

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