in our application, a sccp specific gateway, users outside the firewall authenticate using secure web browser, then we open 3 ports for them by inserting rules into a subchain of the input chain. in trials we could authenticate a max of 10,281 users (30,843 rules). after that the system hangs. we are using kernel 2.6.16-1.2115_FC4 and iptables 1.3.5. we did not have time to investigate the exact cause of the hang. i have no idea how big the ruleset was. how does one find that out? scott out