From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.176.0/21 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER,RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 From: Marko Macek Subject: Re: Cleaning up git user-interface warts Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:05:27 +0100 Message-ID: <455B64F7.9040506@gmx.net> References: <87bqn9u43s.wl%cworth@cworth.org> <7vbqn9y6w6.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <7v3b8ltq7r.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net> <20061115184914.GA24122@spearce.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 19:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Linus Torvalds , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, cworth@cworth.org, pasky@suse.cz Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git@gmane.org X-Authenticated: #420190 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) Original-Newsgroups: gmane.comp.version-control.git In-Reply-To: <20061115184914.GA24122@spearce.org> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQ7Q-0006Ee-At for gcvg-git@gmane.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:08:20 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030900AbWKOTIM (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:08:12 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030905AbWKOTIM (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:08:12 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20]:27347 "HELO mail.gmx.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1030903AbWKOTIK (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:08:10 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Nov 2006 19:08:08 -0000 Received: from BSN-77-245-67.dial-up.dsl.siol.net (EHLO [192.168.2.7]) [193.77.245.67] by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 15 Nov 2006 20:08:08 +0100 To: Shawn Pearce Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Shawn Pearce wrote: > Nicolas Pitre wrote: >> As for the fraction of people complaining being a small fraction of >> current GIT users: that is easily explainable by the fact that most >> people who would have grown the complainers group are simply not GIT >> users anymore since they were turned away by GIT's current user >> interface issues. The only complainers remaining are those who see >> value in the GIT technology but who would like to bring more >> intuitiveness to the GIT interface instead of going for the alternative >> technology. And those kind of people are always few. > > Or they are by proxy. > > *I* don't see that much of a problem with git pull; I can use it > without trouble at this point. But I find it difficult to teach > to others. > > My complaints about git pull/fetch/push are by proxy for about 10 > other users who aren't on the mailing list but whom I interact with > through Git. They don't like pull/fetch/push very much. > > So count my complaints 10 times. :) > > Ok, that's still a drop in the bucket of current Git users. > But still, I'm sure there are others. I think Carl was recently > talking about complaints from some Fedora folks... Agreed. Personally, the first thing that I notice when trying to switch from Subversion to git is the behavior of 'index', mainly in git-diff, git-status and git-commit. For people switching from CVS and SVN it would be much better if the index was hidden behind the scenes by using different defaults: git-commit -a git-status -a git-diff HEAD BTW, currently there's a minor bug: git-diff HEAD doesn't work before you make the first commit. Perhaps this should be special cased. I could personally get used to this, but I'd surely get blank stares from people when teaching them the difference. I guess this is the reason that the GIT Tutorial for CVS/SVN users is talking about _cogito_ instead. (which is very confusing for someone coming to _git_ home page, trying to learn git).