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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, akpm@osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH] KVM: Avoid using vmx instruction directly
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:41:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45635681.2040504@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45634704.8020407@zytor.com>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>> Or gcc
>>>> might move the assignment of phys_addr to after the inline assembly.
>>>>   
>>> "asm volatile" prevents that (and I'm not 100% sure it's necessary).
>>
>> No, it won't necessarily.  "asm volatile" simply forces gcc to emit the
>> assembler, even if it thinks its output doesn't get used.  It makes no
>> ordering guarantees with respect to other code (or even other "asm
>> volatiles").   The "memory" clobbers should fix the ordering of the asms
>> though.
>>
>
> I think you're wrong about that; in particular, I'm pretty sure "asm 
> volatiles" are ordered among themselves.  What the "volatile" means is 
> "this has side effects you (the compiler) don't understand", and gcc 
> can't assume that it can reorder such side effects.

The gcc manual has this to say:

   Similarly, you can't expect a sequence of volatile `asm' instructions
  to remain perfectly consecutive.  If you want consecutive output, use a
  single `asm'.  Also, GCC will perform some optimizations across a
  volatile `asm' instruction; GCC does not "forget everything" when it
  encounters a volatile `asm' instruction the way some other compilers do.

I wonder how we are supposed to code the following sequence:


    asm volatile ("blah")  /* sets funky processor mode */

    some_c_code();

    asm volatile ("unblah");

Let's say "blah" disables floating point exceptions, and some_c_code() 
must run without exceptions.  Is is possible to code this in gcc without 
putting functions in another translation unit?  Is a memory clobber 
sufficient?  I'd certainly hate to use it.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	akpm-3NddpPZAyC0@public.gmane.org,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: Avoid using vmx instruction directly
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:41:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45635681.2040504@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45634704.8020407-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>> Or gcc
>>>> might move the assignment of phys_addr to after the inline assembly.
>>>>   
>>> "asm volatile" prevents that (and I'm not 100% sure it's necessary).
>>
>> No, it won't necessarily.  "asm volatile" simply forces gcc to emit the
>> assembler, even if it thinks its output doesn't get used.  It makes no
>> ordering guarantees with respect to other code (or even other "asm
>> volatiles").   The "memory" clobbers should fix the ordering of the asms
>> though.
>>
>
> I think you're wrong about that; in particular, I'm pretty sure "asm 
> volatiles" are ordered among themselves.  What the "volatile" means is 
> "this has side effects you (the compiler) don't understand", and gcc 
> can't assume that it can reorder such side effects.

The gcc manual has this to say:

   Similarly, you can't expect a sequence of volatile `asm' instructions
  to remain perfectly consecutive.  If you want consecutive output, use a
  single `asm'.  Also, GCC will perform some optimizations across a
  volatile `asm' instruction; GCC does not "forget everything" when it
  encounters a volatile `asm' instruction the way some other compilers do.

I wonder how we are supposed to code the following sequence:


    asm volatile ("blah")  /* sets funky processor mode */

    some_c_code();

    asm volatile ("unblah");

Let's say "blah" disables floating point exceptions, and some_c_code() 
must run without exceptions.  Is is possible to code this in gcc without 
putting functions in another translation unit?  Is a memory clobber 
sufficient?  I'd certainly hate to use it.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-21 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-09 11:08 [PATCH] KVM: Avoid using vmx instruction directly Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 11:08 ` Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 13:29 ` [kvm-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2006-11-09 13:29   ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-11-09 13:36   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 13:36     ` Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 14:42     ` [kvm-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2006-11-09 14:42       ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-11-09 14:52       ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 16:37         ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-11-09 16:51           ` Avi Kivity
2006-11-09 23:39         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-10 12:46           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2006-11-10 19:38             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-10 19:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-21 18:35           ` [kvm-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-21 18:35             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-21 19:41             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2006-11-21 19:41               ` Avi Kivity
2006-11-21 20:50             ` [kvm-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-21 20:50               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-22  6:42               ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2006-11-22  6:42                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-11-22  9:10                 ` [kvm-devel] " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-11-22  9:10                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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