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From: "Kristian Høgsberg" <krh@redhat.com>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: Alexander Neundorf <a.neundorf-work@gmx.net>,
	ben.collins@ubuntu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	adobriyan@gmail.com, linux1394-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] New firewire stack
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 16:21:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4577344B.4020404@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4576B9CC.5060700@s5r6.in-berlin.de>

Stefan Richter wrote:
...
> Another question is whether the stack-internal APIs are really fit for
> non-OHCI chips. There is an unfinished low-level driver for GP2Lynx
> which worked to some degree at some point, but other than that I don't
> remember positive or negative reports in this department. Maybe proper
> documentation of the stack-internal APIs would already help embedded
> developers a lot. Furthermore, there may be question marks WRT
> interaction of the FireWire stack with architecture specific kernel code.

I think some of the problems with the current stack come from the fact that it 
was originally written (by Andreas Bombe) for the PCILynx chipset, in other 
words, *not* for the OHCI chipset.  The PCILynx chipset is a much lower level 
chipset, it offloads much more to software.  For example, each self ID is 
received as an individual packet, where the OHCI chipset receives these into a 
special buffer and notifies software when it has received a consistent set of 
packets.  The current stack has a callback for the host controller driver to 
call once the bus reset phase starts, a callback for each received self ID and 
a callback to indicate the end of the bus reset phase.

In the new stack, the controller/core interface is more suited for the OHCI 
controller.  The stack doens't go into a bus reset state, and all self IDs are 
reported as an atomic event.  This makes the upper layers much simpler, suits 
the OHCI controller better, and should only require a few lines extra code in 
a PCILynx driver to buffer up the self IDs.  And it's arguably better to have 
the PCILynx driver do this than have the OHCI controller split up and 
otherwise atomic event.

> But back to the subject matter: Clearly, Kristian concentrates on
> PCI/OHCI-1394 hardware at the moment. If embedded developers have
> specific requirements on the FireWire stack's design, they should IMO
> contribute with a list of requirements or maybe even with patches.

It's true that I'm developing for PCI+OHCI, but I've kept the controller/core 
stack split that the old stack has, nothing outside the OHCI driver depends on 
PCI (I'm using the generic DMA API).  I've shifted the abstraction level up a 
bit for the controller interface, which makes sense in general, but also since 
this is what every desktop or laptop out there has.  That said, I don't think 
anything in the stack design will break for embedded/non-OHCI chipsets.

cheers,
Kristian

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-06 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-05  5:22 [PATCH 0/3] New firewire stack Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05  5:22 ` [PATCH 2/3] Import fw-ohci driver Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05  5:54   ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-12-05  5:58   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-05  6:09     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-09  2:08     ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-09  7:31       ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-10 21:47         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-10 22:59           ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-10 23:00             ` alignment and packing of struct types (was Re: [PATCH 2/3] Import fw-ohci driver.) Stefan Richter
2006-12-05  5:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] Import fw-sbp2 driver Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05  6:07   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-05 18:18     ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-14 20:48     ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-14 21:40       ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-15 15:08         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-15 18:27           ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05  5:42 ` [PATCH 0/3] New firewire stack Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-05  6:20   ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05 16:28     ` Ray Lee
2006-12-05 23:24       ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05  7:05   ` David Miller
2006-12-05 16:42     ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05 18:49       ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05 21:41         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-05 23:15           ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05  8:46 ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-12-05 15:13   ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05 15:30     ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-12-06 16:21       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-06 16:32         ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05 16:05     ` Erik Mouw
2006-07-12 14:56       ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-08 15:09         ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-09 19:44           ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-10 12:57             ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-10 22:17               ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-10 23:21                 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-09 21:51           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-09 22:51             ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05 16:53       ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-12-05 23:27         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-05 18:49 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-05 19:53   ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05 23:21   ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-06  5:35     ` Ben Collins
2006-12-06  8:56       ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-06 11:40         ` Alexander Neundorf
2006-12-06 12:38           ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-06 21:21             ` Kristian Høgsberg [this message]
2006-12-06 14:49         ` Ben Collins
2006-12-07  0:31           ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-06  8:36     ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-06 22:27       ` Kristian Høgsberg
2006-12-06 23:55         ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-05 23:23 ` Olaf Hering

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