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From: Tomas Carnecky <tom@dbservice.com>
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: James Porter <jameslporter@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Binary Drivers
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 01:57:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4583527D.4000903@dbservice.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061215220117.GA24819@martell.zuzino.mipt.ru>

Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 09:20:58PM +0000, James Porter wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I don't see any problem with binary drivers from hardware
>> manufacturers.
> 
> Binary drivers from hardware manufacturers are crap. Learn it by heart.
> 

That's your personal opinion! A lot other people (including me) have had 
excellent experience with binary drivers!

>> Just because nvidia makes a closed source driver doesn't mean that we can't also
>> create an open source driver(limited functionality, reverse engineered,
>> etc.,etc.).
> 
> We can.
> 

The day you show me that the open-source driver is faster and more 
stable then the binary driver, I'll switch. But until then I'll stay 
with my binary driver. I haven't had any serious problems with it, in 
fact, I'm very happy, so why should I want to switch?

I don't see Linux in such a political way like some of you do, for me 
Linux is just like any other OS. There are good drivers and bad drivers. 
And I don't care if they are open source or binary, I don't judge them 
based on that, but based on how well they work and how good the support is.

> But users of binary drivers should be blocked from sending bug reports
> to kernel developers.
> 

Most end-users will never get directly in touch with the kernel 
developers. They'll first go to their distribution. Most Ubuntu users 
don't even know what a kernel is (not that I use Ubuntu, but it's a 
distribution that is widespread among the less experienced end-users and 
people who switch to Linux from the windows world).


tom

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-16  2:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-15 21:20 Binary Drivers James Porter
2006-12-15 21:59 ` Alan
2006-12-15 22:00   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:31   ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-12-15 22:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16  1:57   ` Tomas Carnecky [this message]
2006-12-16 18:03     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-18 14:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 16:33       ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 17:43         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-21 19:10           ` Tomas Carnecky
     [not found]             ` <f0e2c5070612211120wa6e3402p2ffb6e1d579a485a@mail.gmail.com>
2006-12-21 19:42               ` Tomas Carnecky
2006-12-21 22:36                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-12-21 20:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 20:18         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-21 22:02           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 20:50         ` David Schwartz
2006-12-21 20:58           ` David Lang
2006-12-21 21:20           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-21 22:12           ` Scott Preece
2006-12-21 23:20             ` Martin Mares
2006-12-22  0:38             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  9:47           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-23  1:04           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-16  3:56   ` jdow
2006-12-16  4:59     ` Dave Airlie
2006-12-16  8:12     ` Horses and donkeys [Re: Binary Drivers] Pavel Machek
2006-12-16 18:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-17 11:44   ` Binary Drivers Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-12-16  8:08 ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-16  9:07 ` Marek Wawrzyczny
2006-12-17 12:17   ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-18 21:34   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Hannu Savolainen
2006-12-19  0:10     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-12-20 22:06     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2006-12-21  0:38       ` Casey Schaufler
2006-12-21 10:17         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-21 18:16       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22 11:59         ` Erik Mouw
2006-12-24  6:35           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-31 12:41           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-12-31 13:03             ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-31 17:09               ` Alan
2007-01-02  2:42                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  4:04               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02  5:06                 ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02  6:30                 ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02  9:40                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 11:26                     ` Trent Waddington
2007-01-02 12:06                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 19:23                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-03  8:59                           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-01-02 12:50                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-01-02 13:22                         ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-01-02 15:15                           ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 15:18                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-02 16:33                               ` James Simmons
2007-01-02 17:13                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02 20:20                               ` David Weinehall
2007-01-02 19:30                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-01-02 20:01                               ` OT Coffee (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-02 20:17                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-02 23:01                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-01-03  5:55                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-04  0:50                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-01-02 21:11                             ` Neil Brown
2007-01-02 22:26                               ` Randy Dunlap
2007-01-02 19:04                           ` [OT] Hot coffee (was: Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers)) Steven Rostedt
2007-01-02 10:40                   ` Open letter to Linux kernel developers (was Re: Binary Drivers) Alan
2006-12-18  9:51 ` Binary Drivers Bernd Petrovitsch
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     [not found] ` <7sE1N-2Y4-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <7t39Q-Ru-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-21 12:33     ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-21 21:15 Niklas Steinkamp
2006-12-22 19:22 ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-22 22:00   ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-22 22:14     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-23  7:19       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-23 23:11         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24  6:46         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-24 13:31           ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-24 17:33           ` David Schwartz
2006-12-24 19:27             ` James C Georgas
2006-12-24 21:05               ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-25  0:09                 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-24 20:20             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-25  0:30               ` Wolfgang Draxinger
2006-12-26  0:20               ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26  2:49                 ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26  6:31                   ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 19:20                     ` Scott Preece
2006-12-26 19:53                       ` David Schwartz
2006-12-27  1:20                         ` Scott Preece
2006-12-28 13:32       ` Pavel Machek
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     [not found] ` <fa.whH2sDigxYlZmzC0pHJ6ew9w3Is@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.YLpcIfSTbYXcChK98VmCgG/OEAI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.m5y0sm7/G8Fnz1bRfMDgwNw+YI4@ifi.uio.no>
2006-12-22 21:27       ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-22 23:15         ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis
2006-12-26 11:13 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:33 ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-26 14:04   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 11:20 Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 13:28 ` James C Georgas
2006-12-26 13:57   ` Martin Knoblauch
2006-12-26 16:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-12-28  8:59   ` Rok Markovic
2006-12-28  9:07     ` Trent Waddington
2006-12-28 22:32     ` David Schwartz
2006-12-28 22:34       ` David Lang
2006-12-26 19:12 ` David Schwartz
2006-12-26 23:37   ` Horst H. von Brand
     [not found] <28wj.2xb.21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <7wu47-3dV-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-12-27 11:55   ` Nikolaos D. Bougalis

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