From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: nigel@nigel.suspend2.net, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:20:28 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <45CE533C.4010108@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.kop49l/7yexJoUGrzk6vVeIP934@ifi.uio.no>
Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> If your device requires power management, and you know it requires power
> management, why not just implement power management? Doing -ENOSYS
> instead is like saying -ESPAMMEBECAUSEIMLAZY.
>
> Let me put it another way: People keep talking about Linux being ready
> for the desktop. To me at least (but I dare say for lots of other people
> too), being ready for the desktop means that things just work, without
> having to recompile kernels or bug driver authors or wait twelve
> months.
>
> And it means that doing a bare minimum isn't enough. We keep claiming
> that Open Source is better than Proprietary software. If we accept
> half-pie jobs of implementing support for anything - driver power
> management support or hibernation support or whatever - as 'good
> enough', we're undercutting that argument. Linux's power management
> support should - as far as we're able - be at least as good as that
> other operating system's and preferably way, way better.
>
> -ENOSYS is just not acceptable.
Well, it's probably more acceptable than silently doing nothing and the
device failing or locking up the machine on resume, but I couldn't agree
more that it's not what we want to be encouraging. Perfect may be the
enemy of the good, but "works except no power management" is hardly what
I would call good these days, more like pretty sloppy..
--
Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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2007-02-10 1:50 ` NAK new drivers without proper power management? Robert Hancock
2007-02-10 1:59 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 2:09 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 2:22 ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10 3:21 ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-10 20:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-10 4:35 ` Joseph Fannin
2007-02-13 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 12:47 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-10 2:05 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 3:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-02-10 4:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 3:02 ` [PATCH] " Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 9:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 9:34 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 10:02 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 10:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 10:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-10 17:52 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-10 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 19:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 6:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 6:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:19 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-11 13:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:37 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 13:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 13:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 14:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 14:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 15:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-02-11 15:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-02-11 18:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 18:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:27 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-02-11 18:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 18:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:06 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:06 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 21:04 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-11 21:04 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-11 21:10 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 17:36 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 22:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 19:37 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 19:37 ` Pavel Machek
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2007-02-10 23:20 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2007-02-11 0:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 22:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:40 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-11 18:31 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 21:52 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 22:26 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:18 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:45 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:26 ` Alan
2007-02-12 5:19 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-12 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23 ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:55 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 0:15 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
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2007-02-12 0:59 ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-09 21:57 Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-09 22:26 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 22:44 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 22:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 23:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 23:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 23:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 23:28 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 0:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 0:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 0:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-10 6:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-10 23:52 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10 7:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-10 19:38 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 22:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 22:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 23:45 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-11 0:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:41 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 15:55 ` Mark Lord
2007-02-13 16:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-11 22:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 0:10 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12 0:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 4:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 20:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 6:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:47 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:57 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:20 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:25 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 16:52 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 20:58 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 21:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 21:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-13 9:42 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-13 19:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-14 23:45 ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-12 9:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-12 12:59 ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-12 20:20 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-13 15:23 ` Brad Campbell
2007-02-12 20:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 13:51 ` Tino Keitel
2007-02-11 19:42 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 21:02 ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 0:28 ` Alan
2007-02-12 0:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:10 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:22 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:21 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:29 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:21 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12 8:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 15:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 15:57 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 16:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 10:02 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10 3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-10 4:42 ` Nigel Cunningham
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