From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.91] helo=mail.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1-new.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYJfe-0003km-RN for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:21:55 -0700 Received: from mail.nagafix.co.uk ([194.145.196.85]) by mail.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1HYJfc-0006Hs-HD for user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:21:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:21:43 +0100 From: Antoine Martin MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1712880100@web.de> <200704012108.14597.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> <46100EF5.7040802@nagafix.co.uk> <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> In-Reply-To: <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? List-Id: The user-mode Linux development list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: user-mode-linux-devel-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net To: Jeff Dike Cc: Blaisorblade , devzero@web.de, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Jeff Dike wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you > don't have now. Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. We are all capable of setting up Xvfb here, but most users are not, which is why they download ready-made images. It would also make it a lot easier to focus on writing a management UI, hell if there isn't one shortly after, I'll do one myself! Think of a UML browser image (running IE via wine in a limited image with just X + wine + IE - I would much prefer that to having wine+IE installed locally), testing framebuffer apps like gtk-fb/cairo-fb without risking your dev environment, etc... Antoine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV _______________________________________________ User-mode-linux-devel mailing list User-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/user-mode-linux-devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965373AbXDBKVq (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965378AbXDBKVq (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:46 -0400 Received: from mail.nagafix.co.uk ([194.145.196.85]:53302 "EHLO mail.nagafix.co.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965373AbXDBKVp (ORCPT ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:21:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4610D937.20002@nagafix.co.uk> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:21:43 +0100 From: Antoine Martin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070304) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Dike CC: Blaisorblade , devzero@web.de, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [uml-devel] [RFC] UML kernel & rootfs bundle with every kernel release ? References: <1712880100@web.de> <200704012108.14597.blaisorblade@yahoo.it> <46100EF5.7040802@nagafix.co.uk> <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> In-Reply-To: <20070402020530.GA589@c2.user-mode-linux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Jeff Dike wrote: > On Sun, Apr 01, 2007 at 08:58:45PM +0100, Antoine Martin wrote: >> I reckon that one critical thing which could drastically increase the >> user base would be to have a working virtual framebuffer implementation. > > Why? I've never understood what a framebuffer gives you that you > don't have now. Just like the network auto-configuration via dhcp, it would allow users to download images+kernel and run them like appliances without understanding anything about X or UML, just click and run. We are all capable of setting up Xvfb here, but most users are not, which is why they download ready-made images. It would also make it a lot easier to focus on writing a management UI, hell if there isn't one shortly after, I'll do one myself! Think of a UML browser image (running IE via wine in a limited image with just X + wine + IE - I would much prefer that to having wine+IE installed locally), testing framebuffer apps like gtk-fb/cairo-fb without risking your dev environment, etc... Antoine