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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: carsteno-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	"kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org"
	<kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger
	<cborntra-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	mschwid2-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH/PFC 0/2] s390 host support
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:27:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46348F29.4060505@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070429121351.GA8254-5VkHqLvV2o3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>

Heiko Carstens wrote:
>> Nested page tables/extended page tables also provide this facility, with 
>> some caveats:
>>
>> - on 32-bit hosts (or 64-bit hosts with 32-bit userspace), host 
>> userspace virtual address space is not enough to contain the guest 
>> physical address space.
>> - there is no way to protect the host userspace from the guest
>>     
>
> Sorry, but are you saying that it is currently possible to access
> (read and/or write) host userspace address space from the guest?
>   

No.

First, we don't yet have support for npt (I'm promised a patch by AMD).

Second, the way I first planned it, guest physical and host userspace 
would be completely unrelated address spaces, with guest physical 
mmap()ed into host userspace.  This is how non-npt is implemented right now.

Third, our conversation gave rise to an idea of how to implement guest 
physical as a strict subset of host userspace.  This (a) preserves 
isolation, and (b) allows the Linux mm to operate unmodified [1] on the 
guest ptes.

I was being unclear: npt/ept _allows_ one to do this, but you're not 
_forced_ to.  The strict subset thing is a kind of a mix between the two 
that still preserves isolation.


[1]  We'd still need to teach it how to invalidate guest tlb entries, 
unfortunately.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-29 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-27 13:40 [PATCH/PFC 0/2] s390 host support Carsten Otte
2007-04-27 16:19 ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]   ` <pan.2007.04.27.16.18.10.889473-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-27 19:58     ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]       ` <463255F3.2000500-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-27 22:34         ` Dong, Eddie
2007-04-29  8:09     ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found] ` <1177681224.5770.20.camel-WIxn4w2hgUz3YA32ykw5MLlKpX0K8NHHQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-27 15:14   ` Carsten Otte
2007-04-28  6:27   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <4632E94C.20904-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-28  8:45       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]         ` <4633099D.3020709-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29  9:13           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <463461B1.7060406-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 10:24               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                 ` <4634726F.10705-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 10:48                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <463477EE.3000406-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 11:15                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                         ` <46347E6D.90409-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 11:49                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <46348661.6000909-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 14:27                               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                 ` <4634AB6C.4020901-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 15:06                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-30 14:48                               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                 ` <463601A3.3070206-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-30 14:56                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <463603B6.3010105-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 14:17                                       ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                         ` <46486F89.3080609-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 14:50                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <4648774E.2060304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 15:26                                               ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                 ` <46487FA5.4090905-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 15:29                                                   ` Carsten Otte
     [not found]                                                     ` <46488047.8090404-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-14 15:55                                                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-14 15:53                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-29 12:13                       ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]                         ` <20070429121351.GA8254-5VkHqLvV2o3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29 12:27                           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-04-29  8:11       ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]         ` <20070429081157.GC8332-5VkHqLvV2o3MbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org>
2007-04-29  8:45           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-30 18:58             ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]               ` <pan.2007.04.30.18.58.56.432063-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-01  6:43                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-01 14:53                   ` Hollis Blanchard
     [not found]                     ` <pan.2007.05.01.14.53.20.257696-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-01 14:57                       ` Avi Kivity

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