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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: "Cohen, Guy" <guy.cohen@intel.com>
Cc: hadi@cyberus.ca, "Waskiewicz Jr,
	Peter P" <peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@intel.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	"Kok, Auke-jan H" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] NET: Multiqueue network device support.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:38:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <466D5E73.8060607@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D0122E209EBF8D4CAB38EC6A8AF244E502AB28BA@hasmsx412.ger.corp.intel.com>

Cohen, Guy wrote:
> Patrick McHardy wrote:
> 
>>jamal wrote:
>>
>>>Sure - but what is wrong with that?
>>
>>
>>Nothing, this was just to illustrate why I disagree with the
> 
> assumption
> 
>>that the packet has hit the wire. On second thought I do agree with
> 
> your
> 
>>assumption for the single HW queue case, at the point we hand the
> 
> packet
> 
>>to the HW the packet order is determined and is unchangeable. But this
>>is not the case if the hardware includes its own scheduler. The qdisc
>>is simply not fully in charge anymore.
> 
> 
> For WiFi devices the HW often implements the scheduling, especially when
> QoS (WMM/11e/11n) is implemented. There are few traffic queues defined
> by the specs and the selection of the next queue to transmit a packet
> from, is determined in real time, just when there is a tx opportunity.
> This cannot be predicted in advance since it depends on the medium usage
> of other stations.
> 
> Hence, to make it possible for wireless devices to use the qdisc
> mechanism properly, the HW queues should _ALL_ be non-empty at all
> times, whenever data is available in the upper layers. Or in other
> words, the upper layers should not block a specific queue because of the
> usage of any other queue.


Thats exactly what I'm saying. And its not possible with a single
queue state as I tried to explain in my last last.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-11 14:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 153+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-04 21:40 [RFC] NET: Multiple queue hardware support PJ Waskiewicz
2007-06-04 21:40 ` [PATCH] NET: Multiqueue network device support PJ Waskiewicz
2007-06-05 11:50   ` jamal
2007-06-05 15:51     ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-05 22:28       ` jamal
2007-06-06 15:11         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-06 22:13           ` jamal
2007-06-06 22:30             ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-06 22:40               ` David Miller
2007-06-06 23:35                 ` jamal
2007-06-06 23:56                   ` David Miller
2007-06-07 16:08                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-07 16:59                       ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-11 12:08                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-07 22:04                       ` jamal
2007-06-09 14:58               ` Leonid Grossman
2007-06-09 19:23                 ` jamal
2007-06-09 21:23                   ` Leonid Grossman
2007-06-09 22:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-10  3:02                     ` jamal
2007-06-10 15:27                       ` Leonid Grossman
2007-06-06 22:35             ` David Miller
2007-06-06 22:57               ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-06 23:00                 ` David Miller
2007-06-06 23:14                   ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-06 23:36                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-06 23:32               ` jamal
2007-06-06 23:48                 ` Rick Jones
2007-06-06 23:54                   ` jamal
2007-06-07  0:01                     ` David Miller
2007-06-06 23:58                   ` David Miller
2007-06-06 23:52                 ` David Miller
2007-06-07  0:47                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-07 12:29                     ` jamal
2007-06-07 15:03                       ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-07 21:57                         ` jamal
2007-06-07 22:06                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-07 22:26                             ` jamal
2007-06-07 22:30                               ` Kok, Auke
2007-06-07 22:57                                 ` jamal
2007-06-07 22:44                           ` David Miller
2007-06-07 22:54                             ` jamal
2007-06-07 23:00                               ` David Miller
2007-06-07 23:03                                 ` jamal
2007-06-08  0:31                                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2007-06-08  1:35                                   ` jamal
2007-06-08 10:39                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-06-08 11:34                                       ` jamal
2007-06-08 12:37                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-06-08 13:12                                           ` jamal
2007-06-09 11:08                                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-06-09 14:36                                               ` jamal
2007-06-08  5:32                                   ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-06-08 19:55                                     ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-09  0:24                                       ` jamal
2007-06-07 22:55                             ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-09  1:05                               ` Ramkrishna Vepa
2007-06-06 23:53                 ` David Miller
2007-06-07  1:08                   ` jamal
2007-06-07 12:22                     ` jamal
2007-06-11 12:01                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 11:58             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 12:23               ` jamal
2007-06-11 12:39                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 12:52                   ` jamal
2007-06-11 13:03                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 13:29                       ` jamal
2007-06-11 14:03                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 14:30                           ` Cohen, Guy
2007-06-11 14:38                             ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2007-06-11 14:48                             ` jamal
2007-06-11 15:00                               ` Tomas Winkler
2007-06-11 15:14                                 ` jamal
2007-06-11 15:34                               ` Cohen, Guy
2007-06-11 22:22                                 ` jamal
2007-06-12 14:04                                   ` Cohen, Guy
2007-06-12 15:23                                     ` jamal
2007-06-12 23:38                                     ` jamal
2007-06-11 14:40                           ` jamal
2007-06-11 14:49                             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 15:05                               ` jamal
2007-06-11 15:12                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 15:25                                   ` jamal
2007-06-11 15:44                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 21:35                                       ` jamal
2007-06-11 23:01                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-12  0:58                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-12  2:29                                           ` jamal
2007-06-12 13:21                                             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-12 15:12                                               ` jamal
2007-06-12 21:02                                               ` David Miller
2007-06-12 21:13                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 21:17                                                   ` Ben Greear
2007-06-12 21:26                                                     ` David Miller
2007-06-12 21:46                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 21:52                                                         ` Roland Dreier
2007-06-12 21:59                                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 22:04                                                             ` David Miller
2007-06-12 22:18                                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 22:00                                                           ` David Miller
2007-06-12 21:53                                                         ` David Miller
2007-06-12 22:01                                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 21:46                                                       ` Ben Greear
2007-06-12 21:54                                                         ` David Miller
2007-06-12 22:30                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-12 22:40                                                           ` Ben Greear
2007-06-12 21:47                                                       ` Jason Lunz
2007-06-12 21:55                                                         ` David Miller
2007-06-12 22:17                                                           ` Jason Lunz
2007-06-13  3:41                                                         ` Leonid Grossman
2007-06-13 16:44                                                   ` Rick Jones
2007-06-12 21:17                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-13  5:56                                                   ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-13 11:34                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-14  1:51                                                       ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-13 12:32                                                     ` jamal
2007-06-13 13:12                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2007-06-13 13:33                                                         ` jamal
2007-06-13 15:01                                                           ` Leonid Grossman
2007-06-13 15:53                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2007-06-13 18:20                                                           ` David Miller
2007-06-13 18:22                                                             ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-13 21:30                                                             ` jamal
2007-06-14  2:44                                                       ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-14 11:48                                                         ` jamal
2007-06-15  1:27                                                           ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-15 10:49                                                             ` jamal
2007-06-18  1:18                                                               ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-18 15:16                                                                 ` jamal
2007-06-19  2:12                                                                   ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-19 16:04                                                                     ` jamal
2007-06-20  5:51                                                                       ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-21 15:39                                                                         ` jamal
2007-06-22  1:26                                                                           ` Zhu Yi
2007-06-25 16:47                                                                             ` jamal
2007-06-25 20:47                                                                               ` David Miller
2007-06-26 13:27                                                                                 ` jamal
2007-06-26 20:57                                                                                   ` David Miller
2007-06-27 22:32                                                                                     ` jamal
2007-06-27 22:54                                                                                       ` David Miller
2007-06-28  0:15                                                                                         ` jamal
2007-06-28  0:31                                                                                           ` David Miller
2007-06-12  9:19                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-06-12 12:17                   ` jamal
2007-06-11 17:36   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 18:05     ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-11 18:07       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-13 18:34     ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-11 17:52   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 17:57     ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-11 18:05       ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-11 18:15         ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
2007-06-11 18:24           ` Patrick McHardy

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