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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Re: More virtio users
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:36:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <466E14A6.6020400@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1181603983.16428.100.camel__36651.2330751449$1181608748$gmane$org@localhost.localdomain>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-06-11 at 10:16 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>> Framebuffer is an interesting one.  Virtio doesn't assume shared memory,
>>> so naively the fb you would just send outbufs describing changed memory.
>>> This would work, but describing rectangles is better.  A helper might be
>>> the right approach here
>> Rectangles work just fine for a framebuffer console.  They stop working 
>> once you plan to run any graphical stuff such as an X-Server on top of 
>> the framebuffer.  Only way to get notified about changes is page faults, 
>> i.e. 4k granularity on the linear framebuffer memory.
> 
> Yes, I discussed this with Ben Herrenschmidt a couple of months ago.  It
> would be better to provide a fb ioctl which X could use to describe
> changed rectangles if available.  In the virtio case we could hand that
> information through, and other virtualized framebuffers would be able to
> use it similarly.

The X fbdev driver is going to make supporting a new fb ioctl pretty 
fun.  It currently doesn't even support the existing fb ioctls and has a 
strange abstraction layer.

I reckon writing a new X driver from scratch (or based on something like 
the vnc X driver) would be easier in the long run.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori


> Cheers,
> Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-12  3:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-10  7:33 More virtio users Avi Kivity
2007-06-10  8:06 ` [Xen-devel] " Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-06-10  8:06 ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-06-10  8:09   ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-12 22:07     ` [kvm-devel] [Xen-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-12 23:40       ` Caitlin Bestler
2007-06-12 23:40       ` [kvm-devel] " Caitlin Bestler
2007-06-12 23:54         ` [kvm-devel] [Xen-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-13  5:28           ` Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-06-13  5:28           ` [kvm-devel] " Muli Ben-Yehuda
2007-06-14 19:41           ` Caitlin Bestler
2007-06-14 23:39             ` [kvm-devel] [Xen-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <1EF1E44200D82B47BD5BA61171E8CE9D04269D6E-Wx+fQJ8T8QJuheSVJXE+poKqz+Jmtwh+qs7JOtOhHmkAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-14 23:39               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-15 16:26                 ` [kvm-devel] " Caitlin Bestler
     [not found]                 ` <200706150139.36770.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-15 16:26                   ` Caitlin Bestler
2007-06-14 19:41           ` [kvm-devel] " Caitlin Bestler
2007-06-10  8:09   ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-10  8:13 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-10  8:16   ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-10  8:16   ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-10 12:37     ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-10 12:37     ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-11  6:41       ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-11  7:29         ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-11  7:29         ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-11  7:33           ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-12  0:31             ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-12  0:31             ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-12  6:24               ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-12  7:52                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-12  7:56                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-12  7:52                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-11  8:16   ` [Xen-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2007-06-11  8:19     ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-11  8:19     ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-06-11 19:24     ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-11 19:24     ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-11 19:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-11 23:19     ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-12  0:47       ` [Xen-devel] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-11 23:19     ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-12  3:36       ` Anthony Liguori
2007-06-12  3:36       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2007-06-12  4:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-06-11 13:44   ` Markus Armbruster
2007-06-10  8:13 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-11  3:04 ` [Xen-devel] " ron minnich
2007-06-11  3:04 ` ron minnich
2007-06-12 22:01 ` [kvm-devel] " Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]   ` <200706130001.21431.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-14 16:27     ` [Xen-devel] " Mark Williamson
2007-06-14 16:27   ` [Xen-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Mark Williamson

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