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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: ebiederm@xmission.com, kaber@trash.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	hadi@cyberus.ca, shemminger@linux-foundation.org,
	greearb@candelatech.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
	containers@lists.osdl.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] L2 Network namespace infrastructure
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:15:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <467D9B8F.2050403@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070623.135737.22037347.davem@davemloft.net>

David Miller wrote:
> I don't accept that we have to add another function argument
> to a bunch of core routines just to support this crap,
> especially since you give no way to turn it off and get
> that function argument slot back.
> 
> To be honest I think this form of virtualization is a complete
> waste of time, even the openvz approach.
> 
> We're protecting the kernel from itself, and that's an endless
> uphill battle that you will never win.  Let's do this kind of
> stuff properly with a real minimal hypervisor, hopefully with
> appropriate hardware level support and good virtualized device
> interfaces, instead of this namespace stuff.

Strongly seconded.  This containerized virtualization approach just 
bloats up the kernel for something that is inherently fragile and IMO 
less secure -- protecting the kernel from itself.

Plenty of other virt approaches don't stir the code like this, while 
simultaneously providing fewer, more-clean entry points for the 
virtualization to occur.

And that's speaking WITHOUT my vendor hat on...

	Jeff



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-23 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-22 19:39 [RFD] L2 Network namespace infrastructure Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-22 21:22 ` [PATCH] net: Basic network " Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 10:40 ` [RFD] L2 Network " Patrick McHardy
2007-06-23 15:20   ` Ben Greear
2007-06-23 17:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 20:09       ` Ben Greear
2007-06-23 20:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 20:44           ` Ben Greear
2007-06-23 17:26     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-06-23 17:55       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 20:03       ` Ben Greear
2007-06-27 14:41     ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-06-23 17:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 18:00     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-23 19:08       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 20:19     ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2007-06-23 20:31       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 20:57     ` David Miller
2007-06-23 21:22       ` Benny Amorsen
2007-06-24  5:39         ` David Miller
2007-06-23 21:41       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-24  5:45         ` David Miller
2007-06-24 12:58           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-25  2:39             ` David Miller
2007-06-26 15:32               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-23 22:15       ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-06-23 22:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-24  1:28           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-25 15:23             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 15:38             ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-06-24  5:48           ` David Miller
2007-06-24 10:25             ` Benny Amorsen
2007-06-24 12:38             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-06-25 15:11       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28 14:53     ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-06-27 14:39   ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-06-27 14:45     ` Patrick McHardy
2007-06-27 14:56     ` Ben Greear
2007-06-28 13:12       ` Kirill Korotaev

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