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From: James Ketrenos <jketreno@linux.intel.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
	Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>,
	ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Axj <axjslack@bluebottle.com>
Subject: Re: [ipw3945-devel] Request for help...
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:15:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A6A447.2080903@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A66B63.6030006@garzik.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:

> There is a reason why we say "release early, release often."  If 
> wireless developers don't hear from Intel on a regular basis,

The "community" vs. "Intel" slant is really getting old.  

*WE* are part of the community.  *WE* have submitted patches.  
*WE* have done work to bring wireless forward.  *WE* are wireless 
developers.

It isn't Intel's fault that certain people have historically 
made it so difficult to get code to into wireless-dev's mac80211 
(and eventually *maybe* upstream) that contributors have decided 
to focus on getting their code out to users through other means.

A version of mac80211 being available out-of-tree with features 
not found in wireless-dev isn't the problem.  The problem is that 
people have made it too difficult to innovate and develop in 
wireless-dev.

*That* needs to change.

James

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-24 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-24 15:02 Request for help Axj
2007-07-24 16:12 ` John W. Linville
2007-07-24 18:29   ` [ipw3945-devel] " Stephen Clark
2007-07-24 20:30     ` John W. Linville
2007-07-24 21:13       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:15         ` James Ketrenos [this message]
2007-07-25  0:03           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  0:30             ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  0:35               ` David Miller
2007-07-25  0:43                 ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  0:46                   ` David Miller
2007-07-25  1:05                     ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  1:18                       ` David Miller
2007-07-25  1:23                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:29                         ` Stephen Clark
2007-07-25  1:40                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  1:40                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  0:45               ` Maurizio Monge
2007-07-25  1:35               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  8:01             ` James Ketrenos
2007-07-25 14:50               ` John W. Linville
2007-07-27 12:36               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25 14:46             ` John W. Linville
2007-07-25 15:19               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  9:32 ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-26 15:10   ` Axj
2007-07-26 16:22     ` Pavel Roskin
2007-07-27  6:34       ` Axj
2007-07-27  7:44         ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-27  8:48           ` Axj
     [not found]           ` <200707270848.l6R8mqkh004526@mi1.bluebottle.com>
2007-07-27  8:56             ` Zhu Yi
2007-07-27  9:10               ` Axj
2007-07-30  0:58                 ` Zhu Yi
2007-08-01  6:40                   ` Axj

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