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From: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
To: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Andika Triwidada <andika@gmail.com>,
	Robert Deaton <false.hopes@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, B.Steinbrink@gmx.de,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: updatedb
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:32:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46A9F3DA.2090203@imap.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A9E4FC.80403@gmail.com>

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Rene Herman schrieb:
> On 07/27/2007 01:48 PM, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> 
>> I believe the users who say their apps really do get paged back in
>> though, so suspect that's not the case.
> 
> Stopping the bush-circumference beating, I do not. -ck (and gentoo) have 
> this massive Calimero thing going among their users where people are much 
> less interested in technology than in how the nasty big kernel meanies are 
> keeping them down (*).

I think the problem is elsewhere. Users don't say: "My apps get paged
back in." They say: "My system is more responsive". They really don't
care *why* the reaction to a mouse click that takes three seconds with
a mainline kernel is instantaneous with -ck. Nasty big kernel meanies,
OTOH, want to understand *why* a patch helps in order to decide whether
it is really a good idea to merge it. So you've got a bunch of patches
(aka -ck) which visibly improve the overall responsiveness of a desktop
system, but apparently no one can conclusively explain why or how they
achieve that, and therefore they cannot be merged into mainline.

I don't have a solution to that dilemma either.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-27 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-25 15:30 howto get a patch merged (WAS: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-25 15:30 ` Kacper Wysocki
2007-07-25 16:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 16:01   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-25 17:15   ` Robert Deaton
2007-07-25 17:15     ` Robert Deaton
2007-07-26  3:59     ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  3:59       ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  6:23       ` updatedb Andika Triwidada
2007-07-26  6:23         ` updatedb Andika Triwidada
2007-07-26  7:49         ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  7:49           ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  9:37           ` updatedb Andika Triwidada
2007-07-26  9:37             ` updatedb Andika Triwidada
2007-07-27  0:46         ` updatedb Jesper Juhl
2007-07-27  0:46           ` updatedb Jesper Juhl
2007-07-27  6:00           ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27  6:00             ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27  7:54             ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  7:54               ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  8:28               ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27  8:28                 ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27  9:26                 ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27  9:26                   ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:09                   ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27 11:09                     ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27 11:48                     ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:48                       ` updatedb Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 12:28                       ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27 12:28                         ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-27 13:32                         ` Tilman Schmidt [this message]
2007-07-26  6:39       ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26  6:39         ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26  6:56         ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  6:56           ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  7:08           ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26  7:08             ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26  8:01             ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26  8:01               ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26 21:25               ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26 21:25                 ` updatedb Bongani Hlope
2007-07-26  9:58           ` updatedb Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-26  9:58             ` updatedb Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-26 10:23             ` updatedb Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-26 10:23               ` updatedb Björn Steinbrink
2007-07-26 11:00             ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26 11:00               ` updatedb Rene Herman
2007-07-26 13:54     ` Re: howto get a patch merged (WAS: Re: -mm merge plans for 2.6.23) Jos Poortvliet
2007-07-25 16:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-25 16:40   ` [ck] " Michael Chang
2007-07-25 16:40     ` Michael Chang

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