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From: Tejun Heo <teheo-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Hansen <hansendc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] sysfs: Implement sysfs manged shadow directory support.
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:09:06 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46AD8E92.7080002@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A425F9.1030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

Hello, Eric.

Tejun Heo wrote:
> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Further while there are a few little nits I think mostly Tejun is 
>> mostly objecting to the fundamental complexity of the problem rather
>> then to things that can be fixed by a cleaner implementation.
> 
> Oh well, I don't think so but I might be wrong.

And I'm wrong.  Mine didn't turn out to be much cleaner than yours.
What I did was (still broken)...

* No shadower/shadowee.  Each dentry is tagged.
* dentries of tagged sd's are taken out of dcache and always go through
->lookup() where the correct sd is looked up considering the current tag.

Tagging and adding new entries could be done rather cleanly but shooting
down existing dentries on rename/move turned out to be a mess.  Things
will be much simpler if no sysfs dentry is hashed on dcache and always
go through ->lookup() but that will hurt big machines.

The basic problem here is that dcache layer doesn't allow different
views and sysfs shadow is trying to work behind its back.  I don't think
this is a viable approach.  Both implementations bend too many rules and
 are too fragile.  It will be a genuine pain in the ass to maintain.

Sorry that I can't come up with an alternative but NACK.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-30  7:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-07-19  4:43                 ` [PATCH 1/4] sysfs: Remove first pass at shadow directory support Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-19  4:45                     ` [PATCH 2/4] sysfs: Implement sysfs manged " Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-19  4:46                         ` [PATCH 3/4] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-19  4:47                             ` [PATCH 4/4] driver core: Implement shadow directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-21  6:36                                 ` patch driver-core-implement-shadow-directory-support-for-device-classes.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM
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2007-07-21 10:00                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-21  6:36                             ` patch sysfs-implement-sysfs_delete_link-and-sysfs_rename_link.patch " gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM
2007-07-21  6:36                         ` patch sysfs-implement-sysfs-manged-shadow-directory-support.patch " gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM
2007-07-22 19:47                         ` [PATCH 2/4] sysfs: Implement sysfs manged shadow directory support Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <46A3B449.3090409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-22 20:25                             ` Greg KH
     [not found]                               ` <20070722202508.GA18018-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-22 22:19                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-23  3:52                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                       ` <46A425F9.1030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-24  7:26                                         ` Greg KH
2007-07-30  7:09                                         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
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2007-07-30 12:41                                             ` Kirill Korotaev
     [not found]                                               ` <46ADDC7F.1090306-3ImXcnM4P+0@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-30 13:06                                                 ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-30 13:57                                                     ` Kirill Korotaev
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2007-07-30 14:04                                                         ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-30 15:51                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31  3:24                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31  3:41                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-31  4:02                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31  4:28                                                                             ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-31  7:59                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31  8:14                                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-31  8:15                                                                                         ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-31 10:16                                                                                             ` [PATCH 0/14] sysfs cleanups Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:18                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 01/14] sysfs: Remove first pass at shadow directory support Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:20                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 02/14] sysfs: In sysfs_lookup protect s_parent with sysfs_mutex Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:22                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 03/14] sysfs: Move all of inode initialization into sysfs_init_inode Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:24                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 04/14] sysfs: Remove unnecessary variable found from sysfs_lookup Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:25                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 05/14] sysfs: Remove sysfs_instantiate Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:27                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 06/14] sysfs: Rewrite sysfs_get_dentry Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:28                                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 07/14] vfs: Remove lookup_one_len_kern Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:29                                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 08/14] sysfs: Perform renames under sysfs_mutex Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:33                                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 09/14] sysfs: Move all of sysfs_move_dir " Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:37                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 10/14] sysfs: Rework sysfs_drop_dentry Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:39                                                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 11/14] sysfs: Remove s_dentry form sysfs_dirent Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:40                                                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 12/14] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:42                                                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 13/14] sysfs: Simplify readdir Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 10:42                                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 14/14] sysfs: In sysfs_lookup don't open code sysfs_find_dirent Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 11:38                                                                                                                                                         ` Tejun Heo
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2007-07-31 16:01                                                                                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-31 11:36                                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 13/14] sysfs: Simplify readdir Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 11:19                                                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 12/14] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 11:18                                                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 11/14] sysfs: Remove s_dentry form sysfs_dirent Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 11:17                                                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 10/14] sysfs: Rework sysfs_drop_dentry Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 11:09                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 09/14] sysfs: Move all of sysfs_move_dir under sysfs_mutex Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 11:06                                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 08/14] sysfs: Perform renames " Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <46AF17A1.2010203-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 11:10                                                                                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 10:59                                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 06/14] sysfs: Rewrite sysfs_get_dentry Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                           ` <46AF15F6.6010202-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 11:23                                                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
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2007-07-31 11:34                                                                                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <46AF1E57.3030209-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 14:16                                                                                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                                       ` <20070731141613.GC13674-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 19:24                                                                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-08-01  9:22                                                                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                                                                           ` <m1fy33pq1r.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 10:02                                                                                                                                             ` Tejun Heo
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2007-08-01 17:07                                                                                                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                   ` <m1vebznpyc.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 17:20                                                                                                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                       ` <46B0C0E6.5030008-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 17:40                                                                                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                           ` <m1ir7znog9.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-01 17:51                                                                                                                                                             ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                               ` <46B0C817.7060106-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-02  8:28                                                                                                                                                                 ` Cornelia Huck
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                                   ` <20070802102819.183720a4-XQvu0L+U/CiXI4yAdoq52KN5r0PSdgG1zG2AekJRRhI@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-03 19:29                                                                                                                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                                       ` <m1tzrgl8mo.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 15:06                                                                                                                                                                         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-07-31 10:44                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH 05/14] sysfs: Remove sysfs_instantiate Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 10:45                                                                                                                 ` [PATCH 04/14] sysfs: Remove unnecessary variable found from sysfs_lookup Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 10:43                                                                                                             ` [PATCH 03/14] sysfs: Move all of inode initialization into sysfs_init_inode Tejun Heo
2007-07-31 10:36                                                                                                         ` [PATCH 02/14] sysfs: In sysfs_lookup protect s_parent with sysfs_mutex Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                                                                                           ` <46AF10B7.3070600-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 10:45                                                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                                               ` <m1bqdsrgvy.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-31 10:47                                                                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-07-31  3:51                                                                 ` [PATCH 2/4] sysfs: Implement sysfs manged shadow directory support Tejun Heo
2007-07-26  8:00                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                       ` <46A85485.40502-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-27 10:58                                         ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2007-07-27 20:59                                         ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2007-07-30 15:36                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-22 22:07                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-07-21  6:36                     ` patch sysfs-remove-first-pass-at-shadow-directory-support.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM
2007-07-22 18:35                     ` [PATCH 1/4] sysfs: Remove first pass at shadow directory support Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <46A3A36F.9070904-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-07-22 19:17                         ` Eric W. Biederman

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