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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	Michael Tharp <gxti@partiallystapled.com>,
	alan <alan@clueserver.org>, Marc Perkel <mperkel@yahoo.com>,
	LKML Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Thinking outside the box on file systems
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:24:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46C9A433.7050509@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DDABDE40-EDA1-421A-A3D9-2CE48802A125@mac.com>

Kyle Moffett wrote:
> One last comment:
> 
> 50ms to update in-memory dentries would be FRIGGING TERRIBLE!!!  Using 
> Perl, an interpreted language, the following script takes 3.39s to run 
> on one of my lower-end systems:
> 
> for (0 .. 10000) {
>     mkdir "a-$_";
>     mkdir "b-$_";
>     rename "a-$_", "b-$_";
> }
> 
> It's not even deleting things afterwards so it's populating a directory 
> with ten thousand entries.  We can easily calculate 10,000/3.39 = 2,949 
> entries per second, or 0.339 milliseconds per entry.
> 
> When I change it to rmdir things instead, the runtime goes down to 2.89s 
> == 3460 entries/sec == 0.289 milliseconds per entry.
> 
> If such a scheme even increases the overhead of a directory rename by a 
> hundredth of a millisecond on that box it would easily be a 2-3% 
> performance hit.  Given that people tend to kill for 1% performance 
> boosts, that's not likely to be a good idea.

The question is how many dentries are cached at the time?  And it looks 
like you are just renaming, not moving, so there would be no need to 
recompute the acls at all.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-20 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-14 22:45 Thinking outside the box on file systems Marc Perkel
2007-08-14 22:51 ` alan
2007-08-15 13:02   ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 13:30     ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 13:53       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 15:14         ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 16:36           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:17             ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:30               ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:22                 ` Craig Ruff
2007-08-15 20:35                   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16 11:27                     ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-15 16:02         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 16:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 17:09             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:22               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:34                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 23:27                   ` Alan
2007-08-18 23:26                 ` Alan
2007-08-19  2:03                   ` david
2007-08-19  2:57                     ` Al Viro
2007-09-01 23:20                       ` Oleg Verych
2007-08-15 19:20               ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 23:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-08-15 16:58           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:19             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:37               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 17:59                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 19:26                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-15 20:11                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:44                       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:04                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-16 11:42               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-16 12:09                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-15 17:34         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 17:53           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 18:05             ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 18:14               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 20:20                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:43                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 20:50                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 21:20                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 22:48                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-16  3:42                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-15 20:38             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-15 21:17               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-15 22:14                 ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16  4:44                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-16 15:09                     ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 15:29                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 17:28                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 17:31                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-16 22:03                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-16 23:17                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-17  4:24                         ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-17  4:52                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 15:19                         ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-17 15:39                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-17 19:01                             ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-18  5:48                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-08-18 16:45                                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-18 18:19                                   ` Al Viro
2007-08-19  4:07                                     ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20  7:05                                       ` Nix
2007-08-20  7:47                                         ` Brennan Ashton
2007-08-20 11:18                                           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-20 13:32                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-08-20 15:25                                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 15:26                                             ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-20 19:52                                               ` Nix
2007-08-20 16:21                                             ` [OT] " Randy Dunlap
2007-08-20 16:20                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-08-20 14:29                                       ` Phillip Susi
2007-08-20 15:13                                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-08-20 14:24                                 ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2007-08-15 22:40                 ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:54           ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:02   ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 17:30     ` Michael Tharp
2007-08-15 17:51       ` Marc Perkel
2007-08-15 20:02 ` Yakov Lerner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-15  7:49 Tim Tassonis
2007-08-15 18:23 Brian Wheeler
2007-08-20 11:54 Tim Tassonis

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