This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Eric S. Raymond]

There is a user community of significant size hanging on your next
point release.  Users of recent ThinkPads, especially X61 and T61s.
ALSA 1.0.14 doesn't cut it for the AD1984 Intel sound card on these 
machines; your head revision, however, does.

This is a nudge to your release manager.  Please ship a point release 
soon so .deb and RPM packages con become available quickly.  Owners of
many laptops, including my X61, will thank you.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to
liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses
in return for protection to his own.	-- Thomas Jefferson, 1814

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Rene Herman]

On 08/29/2007 11:54 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:

> There is a user community of significant size hanging on your next point
> release.  Users of recent ThinkPads, especially X61 and T61s. ALSA 1.0.14
> doesn't cut it for the AD1984 Intel sound card on these machines; your
> head revision, however, does.
> 
> This is a nudge to your release manager.  Please ship a point release 
> soon so .deb and RPM packages con become available quickly.  Owners of 
> many laptops, including my X61, will thank you.

This need you have to always hang personal issues off of large communities 
just has to be indicative of some serious inferiority complex issues...

But yes, releases have been slow in the coming. Do distributions regularly 
ship ALSA -rc releases by the way? There hasn't even been a 1.0.15-rc1 yet, 
so if not, they'd be waiting for quite a bit yet as ALSA goes through the 
15-rc stage.

Jaroslav -- given that there's a somewhat serious need, how about making 
1.0.15 a fast(er) point release? That is, 1.0.15-rc1 right about now and if 
nothing serious turns up in two weeks time or so, 1.0.15? Can't say I'm 
aware of how widely/quickly ALSA -rc's are being tested, so don't know if 
two weeks are enough...

Rene.

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Rene Herman wrote:

> On 08/29/2007 11:54 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> 
> Jaroslav -- given that there's a somewhat serious need, how about making
> 1.0.15 a fast(er) point release? That is, 1.0.15-rc1 right about now and if
> nothing serious turns up in two weeks time or so, 1.0.15? Can't say I'm aware
> of how widely/quickly ALSA -rc's are being tested, so don't know if two weeks
> are enough...

Yes, I see this demand. I'll release 1.0.15rc1 today and I'm going to have 
only few rc versions for 1.0.15 to have final 1.0.15 package in two weeks.

						Jaroslav

-----
Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
Linux Kernel Sound Maintainer
ALSA Project, SUSE Labs

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Rene Herman]

On 08/30/2007 10:18 AM, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Rene Herman wrote:
> 
>> On 08/29/2007 11:54 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
>>
>> Jaroslav -- given that there's a somewhat serious need, how about making
>> 1.0.15 a fast(er) point release? That is, 1.0.15-rc1 right about now and if
>> nothing serious turns up in two weeks time or so, 1.0.15? Can't say I'm aware
>> of how widely/quickly ALSA -rc's are being tested, so don't know if two weeks
>> are enough...
> 
> Yes, I see this demand. I'll release 1.0.15rc1 today and I'm going to have 
> only few rc versions for 1.0.15 to have final 1.0.15 package in two weeks.

Great, thanks. I just pulled the HG driver/kernel repos and I believe in 
isa/ everything's looking okay. Will test further.

Rene.

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Takashi Iwai]

At Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:18:53 +0200 (CEST),
Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Rene Herman wrote:
> 
> > On 08/29/2007 11:54 PM, Eric S. Raymond wrote:
> > 
> > Jaroslav -- given that there's a somewhat serious need, how about making
> > 1.0.15 a fast(er) point release? That is, 1.0.15-rc1 right about now and if
> > nothing serious turns up in two weeks time or so, 1.0.15? Can't say I'm aware
> > of how widely/quickly ALSA -rc's are being tested, so don't know if two weeks
> > are enough...
> 
> Yes, I see this demand. I'll release 1.0.15rc1 today and I'm going to have 
> only few rc versions for 1.0.15 to have final 1.0.15 package in two weeks.

Sounds good.  Funnily, it's exactly the same timing as I requested
1.0.15-rc1 release yesterday :)


thanks,

Takashi

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Eric S. Raymond]

Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>:
> Yes, I see this demand. I'll release 1.0.15rc1 today and I'm going to have 
> only few rc versions for 1.0.15 to have final 1.0.15 package in two weeks.

Thanks for the cooperation.  I'll post notices of the upcoming release
in a couple of appropriate fora, including ThinkWiki and the Ubuntu
forum thread on the X61.

Note for anybody who was worried, like me, that Lenovo might start
cutting engineering corners on the ThinkPads and wreck the brand: it
doesn't appear to be happening.  My brand spankin' new X61 seems to be
just as well constructed as the IBM ThinkPads were.

Now I need to go through the same dance with Intel about its wireless
drivers...
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Adriano Grassi]

Is this new release going to include support for Acer 9810 hda-intel Realtek
ALC883 HiDefinition Audio?


*** here is the output from my system, sound only works thru the spdif
headphone jack not the speakers.

Also see
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=565080&highlight=9810for
a post i made and nobody could answer it.

Thanks for your help and time.
Regards.

Califalcon

  Here is the output of lspci -s 0:1b -vn
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:27d8 (rev 02)
Subsystem: 1025:006c
Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 23
Memory at d2300000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0
Enable-
Capabilities: [70] Express Unknown type IRQ 0


And output of cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | head
Codec: Realtek ALC883
Address: 0
Vendor Id: 0x10ec0883
Subsystem Id: 0x1025162d
Revision Id: 0x100002
Default PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Default Amp-In caps: N/A
Default Amp-Out caps: N/A
Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1



Full card0/codec#0
Codec: Realtek ALC883
Address: 0
Vendor Id: 0x10ec0883
Subsystem Id: 0x1025162d
Revision Id: 0x100002
Default PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Default Amp-In caps: N/A
Default Amp-Out caps: N/A
Node 0x02 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Node 0x03 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Node 0x04 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Node 0x05 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Node 0x06 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x211: Stereo Digital
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x1e, types 0x1
Node 0x07 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x08 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x10011b: Stereo Amp-In
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x08, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x98 0x98]
PCM: rates 0x160, bits 0x06, types 0x1
Connection: 1
0x23
Node 0x09 [Audio Input] wcaps 0x10011b: Stereo Amp-In
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x08, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x18 0x18]
PCM: rates 0x160, bits 0x06, types 0x1
Connection: 1
0x22
Node 0x0a [Audio Input] wcaps 0x100391: Stereo Digital
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x1e, types 0x1
Connection: 1
0x1f
Node 0x0b [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010b: Stereo Amp-In
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x17, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x98 0x98] [0x90 0x90] [0x1f 0x1f] [0x00 0x00] [0x1f 0x1f]
[0x1f 0x1f] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80]
Connection: 10
0x18 0x19 0x1a 0x1b 0x1c 0x1d 0x14 0x15 0x16 0x17
Node 0x0c [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Amp-Out vals: [0x1f 0x1f]
Connection: 2
0x02 0x0b
Node 0x0d [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Amp-Out vals: [0x18 0x18]
Connection: 2
0x03 0x0b
Node 0x0e [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Amp-Out vals: [0x18 0x18]
Connection: 2
0x04 0x0b
Node 0x0f [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Amp-Out vals: [0x18 0x18]
Connection: 2
0x05 0x0b
Node 0x10 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x11 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x12 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x13 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x14 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Pincap 0x083e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x01214110: [Jack] HP Out at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Green
Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
Connection: 5
0x0c* 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x15 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Pincap 0x083e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
Connection: 5
0x0c 0x0d* 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x16 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Pincap 0x083e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x99130120: [Fixed] Speaker at Int ATAPI
Conn = ATAPI, Color = Unknown
Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
Connection: 5
0x0c 0x0d 0x0e* 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x17 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Pincap 0x083e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x40: OUT
Connection: 5
0x0c 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f* 0x26
Node 0x18 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80]
Pincap 0x08173e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x01a19940: [Jack] Mic at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Pink
Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN
Connection: 5
0x0c* 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x19 [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80]
Pincap 0x08173e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x24: IN
Connection: 5
0x0c* 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x1a [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x80 0x80]
Pincap 0x08173e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x0181314f: [Jack] Line In at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Blue
Pin-ctls: 0x20: IN
Connection: 5
0x0c* 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x1b [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x40018f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x03, stepsize=0x27, mute=0
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Pincap 0x08173e: IN OUT HP Detect
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0xc0: OUT HP
Connection: 5
0x0c* 0x0d 0x0e 0x0f 0x26
Node 0x1c [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400001: Stereo
Pincap 0x0820: IN
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x00:
Node 0x1d [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400000: Mono
Pincap 0x0820: IN
Pin Default 0x4016162d: [N/A] Speaker at Ext N/A
Conn = Digital, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x00:
Node 0x1e [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400300: Mono Digital
Pincap 0x0810: OUT
Pin Default 0x01454130: [Jack] SPDIF Out at Ext Rear
Conn = Optical, Color = Green
Pin-ctls: 0x00:
Connection: 1
0x06
Node 0x1f [Pin Complex] wcaps 0x400200: Mono Digital
Pincap 0x0820: IN
Pin Default 0x411111f0: [N/A] Speaker at Ext Rear
Conn = 1/8, Color = Black
Pin-ctls: 0x00:
Node 0x20 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00040: Mono
Node 0x21 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x22 [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x80 0x80] [0x00 0x00]
[0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80]
Amp-Out caps: N/A
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Connection: 11
0x18 0x19 0x1a 0x1b 0x1c 0x1d 0x14 0x15 0x16 0x17 0x0b
Node 0x23 [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x00 0x00] [0x80 0x80] [0x00 0x00]
[0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80] [0x80 0x80]
Amp-Out caps: N/A
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Connection: 11
0x18 0x19 0x1a 0x1b 0x1c 0x1d 0x14 0x15 0x16 0x17 0x0b
Node 0x24 [Vendor Defined Widget] wcaps 0xf00000: Mono
Node 0x25 [Audio Output] wcaps 0x11: Stereo
PCM: rates 0x560, bits 0x0e, types 0x1
Node 0x26 [Audio Mixer] wcaps 0x20010f: Stereo Amp-In Amp-Out
Amp-In caps: ofs=0x00, nsteps=0x00, stepsize=0x00, mute=1
Amp-In vals: [0x00 0x00] [0x80 0x80]
Amp-Out caps: ofs=0x1f, nsteps=0x1f, stepsize=0x05, mute=0
Amp-Out vals: [0x00 0x00]
Connection: 2
0x25 0x0b



Full Card0/Codec#1 -- dunno if this matter
Codec: Generic 14f1 ID 2bfa
Address: 1
Vendor Id: 0x14f12bfa
Subsystem Id: 0x1025006c
Revision Id: 0x90000


I also have all these directories under /proc/asound/card0/
codec#0 codec#1 id oss_mixer pcm0c/ pcm0p/ pcm1c/


pcm0c/info
card: 0
device: 0
subdevice: 0
stream: CAPTURE
id: ALC883 Analog
name: ALC883 Analog
subname: subdevice #0
class: 0
subclass: 0
subdevices_count: 2
subdevices_avail: 2


/pcm0p/info
card: 0
device: 0
subdevice: 0
stream: PLAYBACK
id: ALC883 Analog
name: ALC883 Analog
subname: subdevice #0
class: 0
subclass: 0
subdevices_count: 1
subdevices_avail: 1

/pcm1c/info
card: 0
device: 1
subdevice: 0
stream: CAPTURE
id: ALC883 Analog
name: ALC883 Analog
subname: subdevice #0
class: 0
subclass: 0
subdevices_count: 2
subdevices_avail: 2


On 8/30/07, Eric S. Raymond <esr@thyrsus.com> wrote:
>
> Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>:
> > Yes, I see this demand. I'll release 1.0.15rc1 today and I'm going to
> have
> > only few rc versions for 1.0.15 to have final 1.0.15 package in two
> weeks.
>
> Thanks for the cooperation.  I'll post notices of the upcoming release
> in a couple of appropriate fora, including ThinkWiki and the Ubuntu
> forum thread on the X61.
>
> Note for anybody who was worried, like me, that Lenovo might start
> cutting engineering corners on the ThinkPads and wreck the brand: it
> doesn't appear to be happening.  My brand spankin' new X61 seems to be
> just as well constructed as the IBM ThinkPads were.
>
> Now I need to go through the same dance with Intel about its wireless
> drivers...
> --
>                 <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
> _______________________________________________
> Alsa-devel mailing list
> Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
>



-- 
Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Re: This is a nudge. This is only a nudge. In the event of actual emergency...

[Takashi Iwai]

At Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:29:05 -0400,
Adriano Grassi wrote:
> 
> Is this new release going to include support for Acer 9810 hda-intel Realtek
> ALC883 HiDefinition Audio?

Yes, it is.  But before asking, you could have tested HG version, and
saved your time :)  The support of this laptop has been already there
since weeks.

FYI, the daily snapshot tarball is available, too:

	ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/alsa/snapshot/driver/


Takashi