From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [62.70.27.18] (helo=esparsett.troll.no) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IZvHj-0003L9-26 for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:16:07 +0200 Received: from esparsett.troll.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 30D0A74221; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:11:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.trolltech.com.au (unknown [10.1.1.12]) by esparsett.troll.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B774D741C2; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:11:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [172.18.1.4] (unknown [172.18.1.4]) by mail.trolltech.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB3B1F0258; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:11:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <46F8280E.9050908@trolltech.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:11:42 +1000 From: Lorn Potter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070221 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org References: <46F587F7.4060501@balister.org> <46F80688.2020702@trolltech.com> <1190667152.19359.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1190667152.19359.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Cc: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org Subject: Re: How should OE be used? X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:16:07 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Purdie wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 04:48 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: >> I have always thought that oe needed an easier way to choose packages, >> like buildroot. >> >> Some gui that can edit all the conf's and task's, and image.bb's >> painlessly and easily would make a tom of difference. >> The learning curve for oe is too high. > > This is something I plan to raise at OEDEM. > > It should be relatively well known by now that I want to improve bitbake > to the extent where writing some kind of UI around it is straightforward > and we can start improving the user experience from this angle. Excellent. >> Take buildroot, for example. A person can download it, run make >> menuconfig, set up the system, arch, and select packages, all in one >> go. >> You do not need to know that you should have to either edit or create >> your own tasks, or image .bb's, much less the syntax for those files. > > Playing devil's advocate, take Poky, for example. A person can > download/check it out, edit one simple configuration file > (comment/uncomment lines), source a file and go :). This is ok for an individual with a known device, but for a company that needs to produce their own distribution, for a new device, Poky is not a choice. _These_ are the people/companies that the OE/Foundation should also be targeting to grow. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech