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From: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>, Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>
Subject: SATA Target mode & libata
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:49:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4733764D.80203@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071108203127.GC4895@havoc.gtf.org>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 03:19:52PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
..
>> MMmm..  I wonder what the most common use case is for target mode?
>>
>> Everybody I've dealt with thus far uses it as a high-speed local comms 
>> interface,
>> which would suggest that it might be done as a network interface (ethernet 
>> emulation).
>>
>> But that would confusingly go across driver subsystems,
>> despite that this is how it actually is used.
> 
> The low-level driver itself will just be a dumb DMA send/receive engine,
> with submit/completion APIs highly similar to the existing ones.  Then
> you can easily provide a network interface interface (not a typo) on top
> of that.
..

The obvious BIG difference is that in host mode, *we* initiate communcations,
whereas in target mode, it has to just sit there waiting for a host to say something.

That's a pretty big change from how libata operates today,
in just about every respect.

> The biggest use case I've seen is in the embedded space, where you
> really are creating a SCSI (or ATA) target, that appears to the
> initiator/client to be a real SCSI-or-ATA device.
> 
> There are certainly other uses:  networking, creating a cheap SATA bus
> analyzer, creating a cheap SATA bridge, ...
> 
> My main goal is to ensure that the low-level driver is as simple as
> possible, which permits upper layers to actually figure out what
> purposes it shall use.
> 
> Modern SATA is just a DMA engine with PHY control anyway (just like
> networking), so we really just need to be sure to abstract away
> initiator-mode (aka host mode) specifics in drivers that support target
> mode.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-08 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-30  8:28 Should be Acard ATP8620 2SATA / 1 IDE driver jameshsu
2007-10-30 10:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-01  8:47   ` jameshsu
     [not found]     ` <025c01c82016$fbcf3810$d400a8c0@laurence>
     [not found]       ` <025001c82067$d76c04c0$6200a8c0@jameshsu>
2007-11-07 22:13         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-07 22:16           ` Jeff Garzik
     [not found]           ` <001f01c821b0$20b6c9f0$6200a8c0@jameshsu>
     [not found]             ` <02d301c821e2$25dc01c0$d400a8c0@laurence>
2007-11-08 11:34               ` Re:Acard ATP8620 2SATA / 1 IDE driver - AHCI.C Nov082007 jameshsu
2007-11-08 16:22                 ` Acard " Jeff Garzik
2007-11-08 19:52                   ` Mark Lord
2007-11-08 20:09                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-08 20:19                       ` Mark Lord
2007-11-08 20:31                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-08 20:49                           ` Mark Lord [this message]
2007-11-08 21:05                             ` SATA Target mode & libata Jeff Garzik
2007-11-27 10:18                   ` Acard ATP8620 2SATA / 1 IDE driver - AHCI.C Nov082007 jameshsu
2007-11-07 22:30         ` [PATCH] Re: Should be Acard ATP8620 2SATA / 1 IDE driver Jeff Garzik
     [not found]           ` <005801c821fa$892827f0$6200a8c0@jameshsu>
2007-11-08 16:18             ` Jeff Garzik

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