From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [65.55.251.16] (helo=outbound6-blu-R.bigfish.com) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Iv0C3-0002FP-7G for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 01:45:23 +0100 Received: from outbound6-blu.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound6-blu-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F317150254D for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail204-blu-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.1.252.3]) by outbound6-blu.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740A41D804B for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail204-blu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail204-blu-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653E31C9028D for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VP X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 160.33.66.75;Service: EHS Received: by mail204-blu (MessageSwitch) id 1195692185393366_31879; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:05 +0000 (UCT) Received: from mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (mail8.fw-sd.sony.com [160.33.66.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail204-blu.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343361A78063 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail3.sjc.in.sel.sony.com (mail3.sjc.in.sel.sony.com [43.134.1.211]) by mail8.fw-sd.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAM0h4sO009651 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:04 GMT Received: from USSDIXIM01.am.sony.com (ussdixim01.am.sony.com [43.130.140.33]) by mail3.sjc.in.sel.sony.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lAM0h4UR002009 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:43:04 GMT Received: from ussdixms03.am.sony.com ([43.130.140.23]) by USSDIXIM01.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:43:03 -0800 Received: from [43.135.148.58] ([43.135.148.58]) by ussdixms03.am.sony.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:43:03 -0800 Message-ID: <4744D0F5.6000809@am.sony.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:44:37 -0800 From: Tim Bird User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060614) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org References: <20071119120819.GA17788@lenovo> <47419EA0.4030308@student.utwente.nl> <4742217C.9060506@whitby.id.au> <74d0deb30711200112x17ad31fej4b25840a74e05abb@mail.gmail.com> <4743201F.8000202@am.sony.com> <617697824.20071121042405@gmail.com> <474471B1.6020101@am.sony.com> <1938272464.20071121202938@gmail.com> <4744BC8B.8020607@whitby.id.au> In-Reply-To: <4744BC8B.8020607@whitby.id.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2007 00:43:03.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3FFD0E0:01C82CA0] Subject: Re: Getting Started -Makefile X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:45:24 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod Whitby wrote: > Does the OE core team simply not want people to use OE unless you are a > distribution developer? This is an interesting option. I have thought what I would do if I were making an OE-based distribution available to my own downstream customers (CELF test lab users, at the moment). I would NOT request that they learn OE. The learning curve is too steep. In a former life, I worked on a large and ornate build system for Lineo. We did a fairly interesting thing there (IMO), where we had a mechanism to capture all the individual commands used to build the distribution, and create a straight shell script. The script allowed a customer to reproduce that exact build. The sources were pre-expanded, and the whole thing was put into an archive that people could download. If users wanted to customize the build, they could apply patches or modify individual commands in the script. To actually insert these back into Lineo's build system, it required that they learn how our system worked (or, more commonly, they just sent their changes back to us). ============================= Tim Bird Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America =============================