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From: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.osdl.org, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: namespace support requires network modules to say "GPL"
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:57:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <475451B1.1030006@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47544896.7070101@candelatech.com>

Ben Greear wrote:
> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net> writes:
>>
>>  
>>> Ben Greear wrote:
>>>    
>>>> I have a binary module that uses dev_get_by_name...it's sort of a 
>>>> bridge-like
>>>> thing and
>>>> needs user-space to tell it which device to listen for packets on...
>>>>
>>>> This code doesn't need or care about name-spaces, so I don't see how 
>>>> it could
>>>> really
>>>> be infringing on the author's code (any worse than loading a binary 
>>>> driver
>>>> into the kernel
>>>> ever does).
>>>>       
>>
>> Regardless of infringement it is incompatible with a complete network
>> namespace implementation.  Further it sounds like the module you are
>> describing defines a kernel ABI without being merged and hopes that
>> ABI will still be supportable in the future.  Honestly I think doing so
>> is horrible code maintenance policy.
>>   
> I don't mind if the ABI changes, so long as I can still use something 
> similar.
> 
> The namespace logic is interesting to me in general, but at this point I 
> can't think of a way that
> it actually helps this particular module.  All I really need is a way to 
> grab every frame
> from eth0 and then transmit it to eth1.  I'm currently doing this by 
> finding the netdevice
> and registering a raw-packet protocol (ie, like tcpdump would do).  At 
> least up to 2.6.23,
> this does not require any hacks to the kernel and uses only non GPL 
> exported symbols.
> 
> Based on my understanding of the namespace logic, if I never add any 
> namespaces,
> the general network layout should look similar to how it does today, so 
> I should have
> no logical problem with my module.
> 
>> Once things are largely complete it makes sense to argue with out of
>> tree module authors that because they don't have network namespace
>> support in their modules, their modules are broken.     
> Does this imply that every module that accesses the network code *must* 
> become
> GPL simply because it must interact with namespace logic that is 
> exported as GPL only symbols?

That's right, with init_net's EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL and dev_get_xx, we 
enforce people to be GPL whatever they didn't asked to have the 
namespaces in their code.

Eric, why can we simply change EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL to EXPORT_SYMBOL for 
init_net ?



  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-03 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-01  9:06 [PATCH 0/10] sysfs network namespace support Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 01/10] sysfs: Make sysfs_mount static again Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:12   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:13   ` [PATCH 02/10] sysfs: Support for preventing unmounts Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:13     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:16     ` [PATCH 03/10] sysfs: sysfs_get_dentry add a sb parameter Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:16       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:18       ` [PATCH 04/10] sysfs: Implement __sysfs_get_dentry Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:18         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:23         ` [PATCH 05/10] sysfs: Rename Support multiple superblocks Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:25           ` [PATCH 06/10] sysfs: sysfs_chmod_file handle " Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:25             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:28             ` [PATCH 07/10] sysfs: Implement sysfs tagged directory support Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:30               ` [PATCH 08/10] sysfs: Implement sysfs_delete_link and sysfs_rename_link Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:33                 ` [PATCH 09/10] driver core: Implement tagged directory support for device classes Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:33                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:35                   ` [PATCH 10/10] net: Enable tagging for net_class directories in sysfs Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01  9:35                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01 13:10 ` namespace support requires network modules to say "GPL" Mark Lord
2007-12-01 13:13   ` Mark Lord
2007-12-01 19:17   ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-01 19:23     ` Alan Cox
     [not found]       ` <20071201192341.6750fbdb-v58gJUvfdfWUJIigds3554dd74u8MsAO@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-01 19:38         ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-01 19:38           ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-01 19:45           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01 20:13           ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <m13aum5g1x.fsf-T1Yj925okcoyDheHMi7gv2pdwda3JcWeAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2007-12-01 20:21               ` Mark Lord
2007-12-01 20:21                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-01 20:29                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-01 22:12                   ` Mark Lord
2007-12-01 23:13                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01 23:24                       ` Jiri Slaby
2007-12-02  1:14                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01 23:51                       ` Mark Lord
2007-12-02  1:08                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01 20:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-01 22:13                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-03  0:02       ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03  0:02         ` David Schwartz
2007-12-03  0:14         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-03  0:14           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-01 19:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-02  0:30     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-02  0:30       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-02  2:02       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-02  3:34       ` Mark Lord
2007-12-02  4:23         ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-02 19:28           ` Ben Greear
2007-12-02 20:03             ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-02 20:43               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-02 21:59                 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-12-03  1:14                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-12-03  8:33                   ` Denis V. Lunev
2007-12-03 17:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-03 18:19                 ` Ben Greear
2007-12-03 18:57                   ` Daniel Lezcano [this message]
2007-12-04 15:19                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2007-12-04 18:03                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-04 18:44                       ` Ben Greear
2007-12-04 19:17                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-04 19:35                           ` Ben Greear
2007-12-04 20:09                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-05  6:14                           ` David Miller
2007-12-05  6:01                       ` David Miller
2007-12-04 17:59                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-04 18:57                     ` Ben Greear
2007-12-04 20:01                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-05  6:07                       ` David Miller
2007-12-03  8:24         ` Romano Giannetti
2007-12-03 15:34           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-03 18:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-03 18:13             ` David Miller
2007-12-02 13:51       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-02 19:56         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-21  3:07 ` [PATCH 0/10] sysfs network namespace support Greg KH
2007-12-21 13:04   ` Eric W. Biederman

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