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From: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
To: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jing Xue <jingxue@digizenstudio.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: git guidance
Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:21:28 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4755D2E8.5050402@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200712010950.15628.a1426z@gawab.com>

Al Boldi wrote:
> Judging an idea, based on a flawed implementation, doesn't prove that the 
> idea itself is flawed.

It isn't the implementation that is flawed, it is the idea.  The entire 
point of a change control system is that you explicitly define change 
sets and add comments to the set.  The filesystem was designed to allow 
changes to be made willy-nilly.  If your goal is to perform change 
control only with filesystem semantics, then you have a non starter as 
their goals are opposing.  Requiring an explicit command command is 
hardly burdensome, and otherwise, a git tree is perfectly transparent to 
non git aware tools.

> Sure, you wouldn't want to change the git-engine update semantics, as that 
> sits on the server and handles all users.  But what the git model is 
> currently missing is a client manager.  Right now, this is being worked 
> around by replicating the git tree on the client, which still doesn't 
> provide the required transparency.

It isn't missing a client manager, it was explicitly designed to not 
have one, at least not as a distinct entity from a server, because it 
does not use a client/server architecture.  This is very much by design, 
not a work around.

What transparency are you requiring here?  You can transparently read 
your git tree with all non git aware tools, what other meaning of 
transparency is there?

> IOW, git currently only implements the server-side use-case, but fails to 
> deliver on the client-side.  By introducing a git-client manager that 
> handles the transparency needs of a single user, it should be possible to 
> clearly isolate update semantics for both the client and the server, each 
> handling their specific use-case.

Any talk of client or server makes no sense since git does not use a 
client/server model.  If you wish to use a centralized repository, then 
git can be set up to transparently push/pull to/from said repository if 
you wish via hooks or cron jobs.


  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-04 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-29 15:52 git guidance Jing Xue
2007-11-29 16:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-01  6:50   ` Al Boldi
2007-12-04 22:21     ` Phillip Susi [this message]
2007-12-07 17:35       ` Al Boldi
2007-12-06 18:24         ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-07 18:55           ` Al Boldi
2007-12-06 20:22             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-07  4:37               ` Al Boldi
2007-12-07  8:40                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-07 10:53                   ` Al Boldi
2007-12-07 11:47                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-07 19:04                       ` Al Boldi
2007-12-07 19:36                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-07 22:07                           ` Luke Lu
2007-12-08  4:56                           ` Al Boldi
2007-12-08  5:16                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-12-08 10:41                               ` Al Boldi
2007-12-08 11:13                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-07 12:30                     ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-07 21:17                     ` david
2007-12-07 22:00                     ` Björn Steinbrink
2009-08-28 12:30                       ` inotify-commit, was " Johannes Schindelin
2007-12-06 21:46             ` Phillip Susi
2007-12-08  6:33     ` Martin Langhoff
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-11-27 22:33 Tilman Schmidt
2007-11-27 22:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-27 22:55 ` Kristoffer Ericson
2007-11-27 23:52   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-28  0:43     ` Kristoffer Ericson
2007-11-28  0:49     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-28 12:49     ` Al Boldi
2007-11-28 13:45       ` Rogan Dawes
2007-11-28 15:46         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-28 17:14           ` Al Boldi
2007-11-28 18:14             ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-11-28 18:30               ` Al Boldi
2007-11-28 18:41                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-28 18:41                   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-11-29  5:27                 ` Al Boldi
2007-11-29 12:57                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-11-28 13:38     ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-11-28 21:20       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-28 11:23   ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-11-28 12:31     ` Kristoffer Ericson
2007-11-27 23:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-28 15:15   ` Dave Quigley
2007-11-28 15:57     ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-11-28 16:37       ` Dave Quigley
2007-11-28 19:10         ` willem
2007-11-28 19:18           ` Dave Quigley
2007-11-28 23:22   ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-11-29 12:45     ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-11-29 13:03       ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-11-28  7:41 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2007-11-29 12:51   ` Tilman Schmidt

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