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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm -v2] x86 boot : export boot_params via sysfs
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:05:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47603109.6080909@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071212185935.GA5941@kroah.com>

Greg KH wrote:
>> This is a binary structure defined by protocol;
> 
> What protocol?  Is this a "standard" documented somewhere?

Yes, see Documentation/i386/* (although some of it is documented by 
reference to include/asm-x86/boot_params.h).

>> in that way it's not significantly different from something passed
>> from the firmware (in fact, it might very well *be* passed from the
>> firmware.)  We have in the past found platform bugs by looking at the
>> contents of the whole structure, e.g.  to find that part of it has
>> been inappropriately clobbered.
> 
> For debugging things, then just export it through debugfs.

Fair enough, however...

>> It is also in the form needed by e.g. kexec to operate.
> 
> Does kexec need this today to work properly?  Or is this something new?

I believe kexec currently tries to reconstitute it from what data is 
available to it.  This is incomplete, though, and has been flagged as a 
problem for kexec.

> What userspace program is going to know the exact data format of this
> blob, and where is it going to know that format from?  The kernel header
> files in sanitized form?  Or something else?

It can pick it up from <asm/boot_params.h> (which is now 
userspace-safe); or it can decode it itself.  Programs like kexec can 
pass through most of the data without examining it, this is the main 
reason for having it as a blob.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-12 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-12  8:59 [PATCH -mm -v2] x86 boot : export boot_params via sysfs Huang, Ying
2007-12-12 17:46 ` Greg KH
2007-12-12 17:54   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-12 18:59     ` Greg KH
2007-12-12 19:05       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-12-12 22:21         ` Greg KH
2007-12-12 22:37           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-12 22:43           ` Randy Dunlap
2007-12-12 23:08             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 22:52           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 22:52             ` Eric W. Biederman

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