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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@suse.de,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Make MMCONFIG space (extended PCI config space) a driver opt-in issue
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 00:04:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <476DEC66.9050701@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0712222040520.21557@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I want to limit that downside. Right now, the easiest way to limit it 
> seems to be to say that those (very very few) drivers that actually care 
> could enable it. That way, we automatically limit it to only those 
> machines that have hardware that cares.

Then let's do it right:  disable mmconfig by default on x86, and enable 
it when passed "pci=mmconfig".

For the rare -- you and I agree its very rare -- case where it is 
REQUIRED, the user can pass pci=mmconfig as instructed by driver 
documentation somewhere.

Let's not bend over backwards and introduce an API for these 
presently-theoretical cases.  Given the complete lack of hw vendor 
testing and potential to confuse userspace, the two choices for a 
computer should be "mmconfig off" or "mmconfig on."

Kernel hackers developing drivers and code for new machines will know 
enough to pass pci=mmconfig if they NEED it.  That practice will only 
become annoying when x86 hardware actually starts to NEED extended 
config space -- at which future time we can revisit, as you describe.


> And yes, if you want the capability following to notice automatically when 
> capabilities really do go into the 0x100+ range, that's fine. I suspect 

Yes, we /must/ do this checking, if we don't already.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-23  5:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-22 12:31 [patch] Make MMCONFIG space (extended PCI config space) a driver opt-in issue Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-22 12:35 ` [patch] opt the sky2 driver into using extended config space Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-22 20:28   ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-12-22 14:20 ` [patch] Make MMCONFIG space (extended PCI config space) a driver opt-in issue Jeff Garzik
2007-12-22 14:47   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-22 15:54     ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-22 16:02       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-22 21:10         ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-23 23:33           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-22 18:06     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-22 19:30       ` Martin Mares
2007-12-22 20:15         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-22 20:36           ` Martin Mares
2007-12-23  1:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  1:26       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  3:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23  4:11           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  4:35             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23  4:52               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  5:00                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23  5:09                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23 21:09                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-23 21:15                     ` Martin Mares
2007-12-23 22:32                       ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-23 23:06                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-23 23:19                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-23  5:27                 ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-23  5:44                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  8:33                     ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-23 11:03                     ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-23 17:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-24  7:31                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-24 18:51                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-24 21:22                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-27 11:46                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-27 14:09                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-24  7:22                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-24 15:47                         ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-23 21:13                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-23 10:33                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-24  7:04                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-24 11:49                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-24 11:54                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-24 12:00                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-25  9:22                           ` Martin Mares
2007-12-25  9:40                             ` Martin Mares
2007-12-23  4:13           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  4:18             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  4:44               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23  5:04                 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-12-23  5:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23  5:22                     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-23  4:40             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-23 10:18               ` Martin Mares
2007-12-23  5:09             ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-23  5:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-23  1:34     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-22 20:43 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found] <fa.pFsY/52FEkQYqrDPnPMxmcUOsRY@ifi.uio.no>
2007-12-22 16:22 ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-22 19:25   ` Greg KH
2007-12-23  0:56     ` Jeff Garzik

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