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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Robin Holt <holt-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Daniel J Blueman
	<daniel.blueman-xqY44rlHlBpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: mmu notifiers
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:28:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478A03D8.9050308@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080113120939.GA3221-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>

Robin Holt wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:51:56PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>   
>> Christoph Lameter wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Actually sharing memory is possible even without this patch; one simply
>>>> mmap()s a file into the address space of both guests.  Or are you 
>>>> referring to
>>>> something else?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> A file from where? If a file is read by two guests then they will have 
>>> distinct page structs.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Two kvm instances mmap() the file (from anywhere) into the guest address 
>> space.  That memory is shared, and will be backed by the same page structs 
>> at the same offset.
>>     
>
> That sounds nice, but...
>
> For larger machine configurations, we have different memory access
> capabilities.  When a partition that is located close to the home node
> of the memory accesses memory, it is normal access.  When it is further
> away, they get special access to the line.  Before the shared line is
> sent to the reading node, it is converted by the memory controller into
> an exclusive request and the reading node is handed the only copy of
> the line.  If we gave a remote kernel access to the page, we would also
> open the entire owning nodes page tables up to speculative references
> which effectively would be viewed by hardware as cache-line contention.
>
> Additionally, we have needs beyond memory backed by files.  Including
> special devices which do not have struct pages at all (see mspec.c).
>   

I don't understand.

I was just explaining how kvm shares memory among guests (which does not 
require mmu notifiers); if you have some other configuration that can 
benefit from mmu notifiers, then, well, great.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function


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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Daniel J Blueman <daniel.blueman@quadrics.com>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] mmu notifiers
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:28:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478A03D8.9050308@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080113120939.GA3221@sgi.com>

Robin Holt wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 09:51:56PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>   
>> Christoph Lameter wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Actually sharing memory is possible even without this patch; one simply
>>>> mmap()s a file into the address space of both guests.  Or are you 
>>>> referring to
>>>> something else?
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> A file from where? If a file is read by two guests then they will have 
>>> distinct page structs.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Two kvm instances mmap() the file (from anywhere) into the guest address 
>> space.  That memory is shared, and will be backed by the same page structs 
>> at the same offset.
>>     
>
> That sounds nice, but...
>
> For larger machine configurations, we have different memory access
> capabilities.  When a partition that is located close to the home node
> of the memory accesses memory, it is normal access.  When it is further
> away, they get special access to the line.  Before the shared line is
> sent to the reading node, it is converted by the memory controller into
> an exclusive request and the reading node is handed the only copy of
> the line.  If we gave a remote kernel access to the page, we would also
> open the entire owning nodes page tables up to speculative references
> which effectively would be viewed by hardware as cache-line contention.
>
> Additionally, we have needs beyond memory backed by files.  Including
> special devices which do not have struct pages at all (see mspec.c).
>   

I don't understand.

I was just explaining how kvm shares memory among guests (which does not 
require mmu notifiers); if you have some other configuration that can 
benefit from mmu notifiers, then, well, great.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-13 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09 18:19 mmu notifiers Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-09 18:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] ` <20080109181908.GS6958-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-09 21:54   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-09 21:54     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801091352320.12335-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 11:44       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 11:44         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <47860512.3040607-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 13:16           ` Robin Holt
2008-01-10 13:16             ` [kvm-devel] " Robin Holt
     [not found]             ` <20080110131612.GA1933-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 13:27               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 13:27                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <47861D3C.6070709-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-10 14:50                   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-10 14:50                     ` [kvm-devel] " Robin Holt
2008-01-10 19:06                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:06                     ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801101105210.20353-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-12 19:56                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-12 19:56                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-10 19:04           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:04             ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801101103470.20353-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-12 19:51               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-12 19:51                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <47891A5C.8060907-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-13 12:09                   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-13 12:09                     ` [kvm-devel] " Robin Holt
     [not found]                     ` <20080113120939.GA3221-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-13 12:28                       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2008-01-13 12:28                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <478A03D8.9050308-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-14 19:51                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-14 19:51                             ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801141150010.8300-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  7:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-15  7:43                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-01-14 19:49                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-14 19:49                     ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801141148540.8300-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15  7:38                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-15  7:38                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <478C62F8.2070702-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:39                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-15 17:39                             ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801150938260.9893-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:53                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-15 17:53                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <478CF30F.1010100-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 17:57                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-15 17:57                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801150956040.10089-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 18:06                                       ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-15 18:06                                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <478CF609.3090304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-15 18:16                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-15 18:16                                             ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801151011380.10265-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-16  7:39                                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-16  7:39                                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                 ` <478DB4B3.2000505-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-16 18:08                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-16 18:08                                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Lameter

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