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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Bryan Henderson <hbryan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Valerie Henson <val.henson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incremental fsck)
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:08:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4790C0EE.10207@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF3F61F02C.985CCACC-ON882573D4.0001DCF2-882573D4.0002E9F5@us.ibm.com>

Bryan Henderson wrote:
> 
> We weren't actually talking about writing out the cache.  While that was 
> part of an earlier thread which ultimately conceded that disk drives most 
> probably do not use the spinning disk energy to write out the cache, the 
> claim was then made that the drive at least survives long enough to finish 
> writing the sector it was writing, thereby maintaining the integrity of 
> the data at the drive level.  People often say that a disk drive 
> guarantees atomic writes at the sector level even in the face of a power 
> failure.
> 
> But I heard some years ago from a disk drive engineer that that is a myth 
> just like the rotational energy thing.  I added that to the discussion, 
> but admitted that I haven't actually seen a disk drive write a partial 
> sector.
> 

Did he work for Maxtor, by any chance?  :-/

A disk drive whose power is cut needs to have enough residual power to 
park its heads (or *massive* data loss will occur), and at that point it 
might as well keep enough on hand to finish an in-progress sector write.

There are two possible sources of onboard temporary power: a large 
enough capacitor, or the rotational energy of the platters (an 
electrical motor also being a generator.)  I don't care which one they 
use, but they need to do something.

	-hpa


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-18 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-08 21:22 [RFD] Incremental fsck Al Boldi
2008-01-08 21:31 ` Alan
2008-01-09  9:16   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-12 23:55     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-08 21:41 ` Rik van Riel
2008-01-09  4:40   ` Al Boldi
2008-01-09  7:45     ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-09 11:52       ` Al Boldi
2008-01-09 14:44         ` Rik van Riel
2008-01-10 13:26           ` Al Boldi
2008-01-12 14:51         ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-13 11:05           ` Al Boldi
2008-01-13 17:19           ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-13 17:41             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-15 20:16               ` [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incremental fsck) Pavel Machek
2008-01-15 21:43                 ` David Chinner
2008-01-15 23:07                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-15 23:44                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-16  0:15                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-16  1:24                         ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-16  1:36                           ` Chris Mason
2008-01-17 20:54                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-16 19:06                           ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-16 20:05                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17  2:02                             ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-17 21:37                               ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-17 22:45                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-17 22:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17 23:18                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-01-18  0:31                                   ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-18 14:23                                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-18 15:16                                       ` [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incrementalfsck) linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2008-01-19 14:53                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-18 15:26                                       ` [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incremental fsck) Ric Wheeler
2008-01-18 20:34                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-18 22:35                                           ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-18 15:08                                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-01-18 17:43                                       ` Bryan Henderson
2008-01-16 21:28                         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-01-16 11:51                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-16 12:20                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-19 14:51                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-16 16:38                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-01-16  1:44                 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-16  3:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2008-01-17  7:38                     ` Andreas Dilger
2008-01-16 11:49                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-16 20:52                     ` Valerie Henson
2008-01-17 12:29                   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2008-01-17 22:51                     ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-15  1:04             ` [RFD] Incremental fsck Ric Wheeler
2008-01-14  0:22           ` Daniel Phillips
2008-01-09  8:04     ` Valdis.Kletnieks

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