From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [130.89.2.8] (helo=smtp.utwente.nl) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JKJ78-0001xU-3u for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:00:54 +0100 Received: from Powerbook-2.local (vpn006012.vpn.utwente.nl [130.89.6.12]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m0UK0unr032618 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:00:56 +0100 Message-ID: <47A0D778.5010402@student.utwente.nl> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:00:56 +0100 From: Koen Kooi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact servicedesk@icts.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: k.kooi@student.utwente.nl X-Spam-Status: No Subject: Re: RFC: aggressive usurpation of bugs.oe.net by Angstrom X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:00:54 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Funny, I made similar comments a few years ago about bugs.oe.org being treated as bugs.oz.org, at which point I was made clear by then OE core developers (and even by nearly all OE founders) that it was The One And Only Way(TM) and that all OE-based distros should use bugs.oe.org and claim bugs as their own. A few years down the road Angstrom is doing exactly that. To put it in Graemes words: "This is a wind-up, right?" Rolf Leggewie schreef: | Hello, | | I have witnessed some aggressive usurpation of the bug-tracker by | Angstrom devs recently, especially concerning meta-bugs. This has to | some extent brought back the bickering we all try to avoid. | | I want to discuss this with you but cannot offer an immediate solution. | I think the whole structure needs some reconsideration to make sure | that different distributions don't step on each other's toes or one | distribution claims the BTS all for itself. The information in the bug | tracker is there for all to share and make OE better. | | The problem - which I have been considering for almost a year now - | stems from the fact that OE vs. distribution vs. on-device is not | clearly distinguished. bugzilla also does not allow marking two entries | for field X. | | * there are issues at time of compilation, but they can be | distro-specific, host-specific, foo-specific or generic | * there are issues on-device and they can be device-specific, | distro-specific, foo-specific or generic | * It is also possible that one bug exists in A* 2007 and Sharp ROM, | but not in A* 2008. Currently, this is impossible to mark correctly. | | We don't clearly distinguish and our field labels reflect that, making | it hard for people to carve out the bugs that affect them as well as not | step on one another when trying to resolve the problem for their | specific distro. launchpad for example does this much better, but | generally sucks even more with regards to fields and searchability. | | The problem partly stems from the fact that bugzilla is usually not used | in a cross-compile environment (what does the Hardware field mean?, what | does OS mean?). We have tried to work around this with meta-bugs in the | past but it becomes increasingly difficult. | | So much for the status quo. I think we eventually will need to rework | the labels and fields and communicate their meaning more clearly, but I | cannot present "the" solution yet. Suggestions and discussion welcome. | | Regards | | Rolf - -- koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl will go go away in december 2007, please use k.kooi@student.utwente.nl instead. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFHoNd4MkyGM64RGpERAnXfAKCzA7P4MhoAKvASgBr9cc4b2M/w6wCfayCN IW+2TkSfhyeI65u9ey5cU4g= =L6Zn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----