FOSDEM (1 week left)

FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

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Hi folks,

since it seems I'm the only one interested in PR material, there's no point in 
waiting until someone else does it ;) I have attached a proposal, please at 
least give me some input to make this a) include the most important points 
and b) read like english.

Cheers,

:M:

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Koen Kooi]

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Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schreef:
| Hi folks,
|
| since it seems I'm the only one interested in PR material, there's no
point in
| waiting until someone else does it ;) I have attached a proposal,
please at
| least give me some input to make this a) include the most important
points
| and b) read like english.

"OpenEmbedded is Debian-based" - It isn't, the distros built with it
*might* be.

"Quality Assurance is achieved through automated sanity tests at build
time and runtime -- using the Qemu emulator." - We don't use qemu for
that, but insane.bbclass and testlab.bbclass.

"GCC Toolchains for a variety of target architectures like arm, mips,
ppc, i386, including lots of variants and flavours" - Mention avr32 there.

"Flashable Images integrate a package management system" - Mention .ipk
and .deb there (how's .rpm nowadays?).

"Examples include award-winning distributions like OpenZaurus, Ångström,
Familiar Linux, OpenSIMpad, OpenDreambox, OpenSlug, and OpenMoko. " - At
least OZ, familiar and OS are dead, so better mention them after
Angstrom, SlugOs, OpenDreambox and OpenMoko.

One point I'm missing is "customization", be it CFLAGS or shlib
renaming, it is one of the main features of OE.

Apart from those small points it's looking pretty good.

regards,

Koen
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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Robert Schuster]

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Hi Michael,
please mention Java as a supported programming language and SWT as a
possible UI toolkit.

Additional feature:
 - can be used to build package for foreign (non OE-made) distributions
like Maemo, OpenWRT, ...

Regards
Robert

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb:
> Hi folks,
> 
> since it seems I'm the only one interested in PR material, there's no point in 
> waiting until someone else does it ;) I have attached a proposal, please at 
> least give me some input to make this a) include the most important points 
> and b) read like english.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> :M:
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Thomas Kunze]

Hi,

it might be worth to mention that we have mono as well.

Regards,
Thomas

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Rolf Leggewie]

>  - can be used to build package for foreign (non OE-made) distributions
> like Maemo, OpenWRT, ...

Sharp ROM?  Not sure if that is still very important as a selling point
for OE, though.  But I just "sold" it this week on exactly this proposition.

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael Lauer]

Hi guys,

the attachement contains the second iteration. I have taken all of  
your suggestions into account, slightly improved the layout and  
switched to a non-bitmap OE logo.

Please proof-read.

Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?

Cheers,

Mickey.

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael Lauer]

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And now the attachment... ;)

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Richard Purdie]

On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 21:34 +0100, Michael Lauer wrote:
> And now the attachment... ;)

It looks really good, nice work!

Dare I ask if Poky could get a mention in the OE derived distros/users
section? :)

Cheers,

Richard

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Gerwin van der Kruis]

On Sunday 17 February 2008 21:34:14 Michael Lauer wrote:
> And now the attachment... ;)

I can let this translate into chinese as well 

Looks good to me , I think an important point is that oe makes the maintanance 
of the software of an embedded device much easier !!!

Regards, 

Gerwin


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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Rod Whitby]

Michael Lauer wrote:
> And now the attachment... ;)

s/recipies/recipes/
s/5.000/5000/

The shadow under the "Embedded" word in the OE logo tends to blur out
the word - can it be made lighter (or make the word darker)?

-- Rod

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Thomas Kunze]

Hi,

there should be more than one application in the "Dozens of productivity 
applications like AbiWord, " line. Or the comma should be deleted.

Regards,
Thomas

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Steve Sakoman]

If it isn't too late and you think it adds to the OE "story", you
might mention that Gumstix Inc. is using OE as the development
environment for its products.

Steve

On Feb 17, 2008 12:34 PM, Michael Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> wrote:
> And now the attachment... ;)
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>
>

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Philip Balister]

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Steve Sakoman wrote:
> If it isn't too late and you think it adds to the OE "story", you
> might mention that Gumstix Inc. is using OE as the development
> environment for its products.

In a more general sense, should we list hardware that we support?

I know it is a bit late, but could we use both sides of the sheet?

Philip

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia Monday, 18 of February 2008, Philip Balister napisał:

> In a more general sense, should we list hardware that we support?

I am against it. 

We have machine configs which no one tests (like some of omap devboards 
for example or progear) and adding new ones is quite easy. Flyer already 
lists architectures available in OE (including avr32 which situation 
in .dev is not resolved yet(?)).

And listing all machines will take half of page ;D

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Paul Sokolovsky]

Hello,

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:56:37 +0100
Marcin Juszkiewicz <openembedded@haerwu.biz> wrote:

> Dnia Monday, 18 of February 2008, Philip Balister napisał:
> 
> > In a more general sense, should we list hardware that we support?
> 
> I am against it. 
> 
> We have machine configs which no one tests (like some of omap
> devboards for example or progear) and adding new ones is quite easy.
> Flyer already lists architectures available in OE (including avr32
> which situation in .dev is not resolved yet(?)).
> 
> And listing all machines will take half of page ;D

It still might be worth adding that OE supports all of: 1) HW vendor
development boards, 2) device prototypes IHV/research groups work on, 3)
on- or close-to- market devices from vendors, 4) consumer-level devices
with community support.

Though it's pretty good without that too ;-).

> 
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[]


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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Philip Balister]

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Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Dnia Monday, 18 of February 2008, Philip Balister napisał:
> 
>> In a more general sense, should we list hardware that we support?
> 
> I am against it. 

How about mentioning hw vendors that have shown support by supplying HW 
or by using OE in their products.

I realize the flyer is basically full. I'm glad we have a start on the 
flyer, even if we haven't worked out all the issues. Updating an 
existing flyer is much easier than starting from scratch.

Philip


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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael Lauer]

Am 18.02.2008 um 18:03 schrieb Philip Balister:

> Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
>> Dnia Monday, 18 of February 2008, Philip Balister napisał:
>>> In a more general sense, should we list hardware that we support?
>> I am against it.
>
> How about mentioning hw vendors that have shown support by supplying  
> HW or by using OE in their products.
>
> I realize the flyer is basically full.

This, and my time slot for working on it ;)


> I'm glad we have a start on the flyer, even if we haven't worked out  
> all the issues. Updating an existing flyer is much easier than  
> starting from scratch.

Right. We can iterate more after FOSDEM.

:M:

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael Lauer]

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Final version now. Logo changed, ragged margins, some typos fixed.  
NOTE: There is now a 15% transparent OE logo composited over the full  
page, please check whether your PDF rasterizer honors this setting,  
_before_ printing 1K or so ;) If you experience problems printing  
this, I can remove it again.

Sponsoring info can go at the lower bottom, there's space for a full  
line. If you do so, please consider using 50% to 70% black, not full  
black.

:M:

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Daniel Willmann]

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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:17:51 +0100
Michael Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> wrote:

> Final version now. Logo changed, ragged margins, some typos fixed.  
> NOTE: There is now a 15% transparent OE logo composited over the
> full page, please check whether your PDF rasterizer honors this
> setting, _before_ printing 1K or so ;) If you experience problems
> printing this, I can remove it again.

After some wrestling with the 7 year old CUPS running on an even
older HPUX in our university I've now printed a poster, a rather funny
interpretation of the handout as well as 200 copies of it - correctly
rendered.
Half of these copies have the handout on the front and back because the
printer didn't honor my Duplex=None option or I'm stupid.

Regards,
Daniel Willmann

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Holger Freyther]

On Tuesday 19 February 2008 20:28:53 Daniel Willmann wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:17:51 +0100
>
> Half of these copies have the handout on the front and back because the
> printer didn't honor my Duplex=None option or I'm stupid.

A true Ninja would separate the pages with nothing but his hands. Are you a 
true Ninja?

z.

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Paperninja]

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:12:30 +0100
Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday 19 February 2008 20:28:53 Daniel Willmann wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 18:17:51 +0100
> >
> > Half of these copies have the handout on the front and back because
> > the printer didn't honor my Duplex=None option or I'm stupid.
> 
> A true Ninja would separate the pages with nothing but his hands. Are
> you a true Ninja?

Just watch me at the oe booth :-)

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Robert Schuster]

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Hi,

> Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?
>
if those companies/freelancers who want to print part of the batch could
add a sponsoring line below the text that would make it easier. :)

Ok, for that?

Regards
Robert


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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Gerwin van der Kruis]

On Sunday 17 February 2008 23:09:32 Robert Schuster wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?
>
> if those companies/freelancers who want to print part of the batch could
> add a sponsoring line below the text that would make it easier. :)
>
> Ok, for that?
>
> Regards
> Robert

I am a freelancer but I must say that i am not really an oe consultant or 
specialist. I will check some prices here for printing....

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

On Sunday 17 February 2008 23:09:32 Robert Schuster wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?
>
> if those companies/freelancers who want to print part of the batch could
> add a sponsoring line below the text that would make it easier. :)
>
> Ok, for that?

Sure!

I'll do some further tweaks and will post the final version tomorrow.

:M:

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Daniel Willmann]

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Hi,

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:31:33 +0100
Michael Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> wrote:

> Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?

I'll see how many copies I can print out tomorrow.

Regards,
Daniel Willmann

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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

On Monday 18 February 2008 00:49:11 Daniel Willmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 21:31:33 +0100
>
> Michael Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> wrote:
> > Who could print 500 (if possible, in color) and bring it to FOSDEM?
>
> I'll see how many copies I can print out tomorrow.

That would be cool. Please wait for the final version though, I want to take 
some more comments into account.

Thanks,

:M:

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Leon Woestenberg]

Michael,

On Feb 18, 2008 4:12 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> wrote:
> On Monday 18 February 2008 00:49:11 Daniel Willmann wrote:
> That would be cool. Please wait for the final version though, I want to take
> some more comments into account.
>
Not critical, but please use European spacing, not American.
That is, use word spacing only, not intercharacter spacing.

Especially it shows in the last part of the 2nd column.

It looks better and Europeans are used to it.

Great job!

Regards,
-- 
Leon

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Michael Lauer]

Am 18.02.2008 um 17:48 schrieb Leon Woestenberg:

> Michael,
>
> On Feb 18, 2008 4:12 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de 
> > wrote:
>> On Monday 18 February 2008 00:49:11 Daniel Willmann wrote:
>> That would be cool. Please wait for the final version though, I  
>> want to take
>> some more comments into account.
>>
> Not critical, but please use European spacing, not American.
> That is, use word spacing only, not intercharacter spacing.

Ah, that was actually an artefact of using center justification, which  
does not make much sense for small columns like this. I have now  
switched the main text to using ragged margins, this works better.

Thanks.

:M:

Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Gerwin van der Kruis]

On Sunday 17 February 2008 15:26:20 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> since it seems I'm the only one interested in PR material, there's no point
> in waiting until someone else does it ;) I have attached a proposal, please
> at least give me some input to make this a) include the most important
> points and b) read like english.
>
> Cheers,
>
> :M:

I am interested in pr as well but the issue is that I am working now on making 
the oe-docs and oe presence in china work out. 

So the fosdem work got a bit stuck in the pipeline. 

At this moment I reached that we have presence in a datacenter there pretty 
soon and that we will can take part in several events . 

Two problems remain :
-Who want to go there ?
-Can I register the chinese domainnames without any problems ?

Fosdem:
-Last year I tried to make banners but got scammed for several hunderd euro's
-I have a press release ready but it is waiting approval from the core team .

I will bring for sure my AVR32 board, if ready zigbee stuff 

Is it already for sure we can show the freerunner ?

Regards, 

Gerwinin


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Re: FOSDEM (1 week left)

[Marcin Juszkiewicz]

Dnia Sunday, 17 of February 2008, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer napisał:
> Hi folks,
>
> since it seems I'm the only one interested in PR material, there's no
> point in waiting until someone else does it ;) I have attached a
> proposal, please at least give me some input to make this a) include
> the most important points and b) read like english.

1. it is #oe not #openembedded

2. we have over 5000 recipes now

3. mention Qtopia in display subsystems/UI toolkits

4. mention building software for external distributions like Maemo, 
OpenWRT

I like layout and idea.

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