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From: Yuriy Umanets <Yury.Umanets@Sun.COM>
To: lustre-devel@lists.lustre.org
Subject: [Lustre-devel] storing SOM epoch in EA
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:02:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BAC53A.2030106@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BABB01.8060402@sun.com>

Alex Zhuravlev wrote:
> Yuriy Umanets wrote:
>   
>> EA is separate block is evil. It makes things slow.
>>     
>
> we have fast EAs (stored in inode, this is why we make them large) for years.
>   
Well, people used horses for ages but this did not stop them from 
building cars :) Guys, I gave you idea, not worse than using EAs. I will 
not insist it is great. If you can't estimate its value yourself, well, 
let it be. We have such a nice thing as IAM and you keep talking about 
EAs...

Seriously, IMHO what is bad about EAs:

1. You need to control their size, you need to bother;
2. Large-fast inodes make create/lookup slow. You need to load this 
thing to memory after all. I think this is complement to additional 
seeks caused by IAM;
3. Storing epoch in EA makes you use this chain to access epoch: 
fid->inode->epoch (in EA), IAM makes it shorter: fid->epoch (in IAM);
4. Large inodes consume more RAM;
5. There others...  but they are less related to technical 
downsides/advantages so I will omit them.

Thanks.

-- 
umka

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-19 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-19  9:48 [Lustre-devel] storing SOM epoch in EA Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 10:28 ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 10:30   ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 10:38     ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 10:59   ` Vitaly Fertman
2008-02-19 11:11     ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 11:18       ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 12:02         ` Yuriy Umanets [this message]
2008-02-19 12:09           ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 14:28             ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 14:47               ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 15:10                 ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 12:13           ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 14:30             ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 14:36               ` Nikita Danilov
2008-02-19 14:44                 ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 14:39               ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 14:42               ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 20:13               ` Andreas Dilger
2008-02-19 14:59           ` Mikhail Pershin
2008-02-19 15:11             ` Kalpak Shah
2008-02-19 15:23               ` Ricardo M. Correia
2008-02-19 15:14             ` Yuriy Umanets
2008-02-19 15:19               ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 15:28               ` Vitaly Fertman
2008-02-19 15:18             ` Ricardo M. Correia
2008-02-19 16:21         ` Nikita Danilov
2008-02-19 16:27           ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-20 16:10             ` Nikita Danilov
2008-02-19 15:31 ` Eric Barton
2008-02-19 15:42   ` Alex Zhuravlev
2008-02-19 20:19   ` Andreas Dilger
2008-02-19 20:33 ` [Lustre-devel] on-disk SOM attributes [former storing SOM epoch in EA] Vitaly Fertman

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