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From: Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org>
To: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
Cc: Gregory Nietsky <gregory@networksentry.co.za>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	kkeil@suse.de, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Subject: Re: Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] ...
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:33:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BD5360.5070706@debian.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BC370F.3000705@imap.cc>

Hi,

Tilman Schmidt wrote:

> mISDN has two problems, which are of course interrelated:

mISDN has one problem that is even bigger than these: the kernel oopses 
if modules aren't loaded in the right order. misdn-init works around 
that, but if it doesn't work for some reason (and I can think of 
multiple here), the user is left with a kernel that oopses during 
hardware discovery and never gets to a stage where this can be 
rectified, as almost all distributions now have hardware discovery 
before the first opportunity to get a shell. At least these were my 
experiences the last time I tried it on my test box.

This is the reason I've kept mISDN out of the last two Debian stable 
releases, despite users' requests.

When a hardware driver module is loaded, it should only do basic 
hardware initialisation; it is certainly not necessary to set up the 
entire stack (or even decide on a protocol, which currently needs to be 
handed in via module parameter -- before userland code is there that 
wants to talk to the hardware, there is no reason to have the hardware 
active).

    Simon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-21 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-16  4:41 [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] convert HiSax to hotplug APIs Jeff Garzik
2008-02-16  4:41 ` [PATCH 01/14] [ISDN] HiSax: modularization prep Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:46   ` [PATCH 04/14] [ISDN] HiSax bkm_a4t: convert to PCI hotplug API Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:49   ` [PATCH 05/14] [ISDN] HiSax enternow: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:54   ` [PATCH 06/14] [ISDN] HiSax hfc_pci, w6692: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:59   ` [PATCH 07/14] [ISDN] HiSax nj_s, nj_u: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  4:02   ` [PATCH 08/14] [ISDN] HiSax telespci: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 12:26   ` [PATCH 11/14] [ISDN] HiSax niccy: convert to modern ISA/PNP/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-08-02 12:37   ` [PATCH 14/14] [ISDN] HiSax bkm_a8: convert to PCI hotplug API Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:10   ` [PATCH 03/14] [ISDN] Ready HiSax driver for modularization Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:11   ` [PATCH 09/14] [ISDN] HiSax avm_pci: convert to modern PCI/ISA/PNP probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:12   ` [PATCH 10/14] [ISDN] HiSax gazel: convert to modern ISA/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:13   ` [PATCH 13/14] [ISDN] HiSax diva: convert to modern ISA/PNP/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  7:42   ` [PATCH 02/14] [ISDN] Hisax: eliminate many unnecessary references to CardType[] Jeff Garzik
2008-02-16 19:17   ` [PATCH 12/14] [ISDN] HiSax avm_pci, niccy: minor PNP fixes and cleanups Jeff Garzik
2008-02-17 19:52 ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-18  4:52   ` Greg KH
2008-02-18 12:08     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-18 12:04       ` Alan Cox
2008-02-18 12:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-18 13:29         ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-19  8:50       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19  9:25         ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-19  9:54           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-20 14:19           ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-02-20 14:23             ` Alan Cox
2008-02-20 16:54             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 18:23               ` Plans for mISDN? Tilman Schmidt
2008-02-20 19:04               ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-20 22:47                 ` Plans for mISDN? Tilman Schmidt
2008-02-21 10:33             ` Simon Richter [this message]
2008-02-21 19:38               ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-21 19:46               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-21 23:19                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 23:30                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-21 23:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 12:04               ` Karsten Keil
2008-02-23 19:39                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-25 14:39                 ` Plans for mISDN? Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-03 17:32                   ` Karsten Keil
2008-02-19  9:40         ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Andi Kleen
2008-02-19  9:56           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19  9:58             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-19 10:51               ` Armin Schindler
2008-02-19 11:55               ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19 16:12                 ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-19 16:14               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-20 14:24                 ` Tilman Schmidt
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2008-02-25 15:45                       ` Bodo Eggert

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