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From: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins.ml@gmail.com>
To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Sven-Thorsten Dietrich <sdietrich@novell.com>,
	"Bill Huey (hui)" <bill.huey@gmail.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
	mingo@elte.hu, a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, tglx@linutronix.de,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kevin@hilman.org,
	cminyard@mvista.com, dsingleton@mvista.com, dwalker@mvista.com,
	npiggin@suse.de, dsaxena@plexity.net, gregkh@suse.de,
	pmorreale@novell.com, mkohari@novell.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH [RT] 08/14] add a loop counter based timeout mechanism
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:03:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BF46AF.7010200@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080222202316.GF11213@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> Governing the timeout by context-switch overhead sounds even better to me.
> Really easy to calibrate, and short critical sections are of much shorter
> duration than are a context-switch pair.

Yeah, fully agree.  This is on my research "todo" list.  My theory is 
that the ultimate adaptive-timeout algorithm here would essentially be 
the following:

*) compute the context-switch pair time average for the system.  This is 
your time threshold (CSt).

*) For each lock, maintain an average hold-time (AHt) statistic (I am 
assuming this can be done cheaply...perhaps not).

The adaptive code would work as follows:

if (AHt > CSt) /* dont even bother if the average is greater than CSt */
    timeout = 0;
else
    timeout = AHt;

if (adaptive_wait(timeout))
    sleep();

Anyone have some good ideas on how to compute CSt?  I was thinking you 
could create two kthreads that message one another (measuring round-trip 
time) for some number (say 100) to get an average.  You could probably 
just approximate it with flushing workqueue jobs.

-Greg

> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
>> Sven
>>
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-22 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-21 15:26 [PATCH [RT] 00/14] RFC - adaptive real-time locks Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 01/14] spinlocks: fix preemption feature when PREEMPT_RT is enabled Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 02/14] spinlock: make preemptible-waiter feature a specific config option Gregory Haskins
2008-02-22 19:09   ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 03/14] x86: FIFO ticket spinlocks Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 04/14] disable PREEMPT_SPINLOCK_WAITERS when x86 ticket/fifo spins are in use Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 05/14] rearrange rt_spin_lock sleep Gregory Haskins
2008-02-22 13:29   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-22 13:35     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-22 13:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-22 13:35     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 13:43       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-22 13:46       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-21 15:26 ` [PATCH [RT] 06/14] optimize rt lock wakeup Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 07/14] adaptive real-time lock support Gregory Haskins
2008-02-22 19:14   ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 08/14] add a loop counter based timeout mechanism Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 16:41   ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 17:02     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 17:04     ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-21 17:06     ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2008-02-22 19:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-22 19:19       ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-22 19:21         ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-22 19:43           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-22 19:55             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2008-02-22 20:23               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-22 22:03                 ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2008-02-23 12:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-23 16:32                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-02-25 23:52                   ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2008-02-22 20:36               ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-23  7:36                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2008-02-22 20:15             ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 09/14] adaptive mutexes Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 10/14] adjust pi_lock usage in wakeup Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 16:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-21 17:09     ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 11/14] optimize the !printk fastpath through the lock acquisition Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 16:36   ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 16:47     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-22 19:18   ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-22 22:20     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-23  0:43       ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-25  5:20         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-25  6:21           ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-25  9:02             ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 12/14] remove the extra call to try_to_take_lock Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 13/14] allow rt-mutex lock-stealing to include lateral priority Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 15:27 ` [PATCH [RT] 14/14] sysctl for runtime-control of lateral mutex stealing Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 16:05 ` [PATCH [RT] 00/14] RFC - adaptive real-time locks Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 21:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-21 21:33   ` Bill Huey (hui)
     [not found]     ` <20080221214219.GA27209@elte.hu>
2008-02-21 21:56       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 22:53       ` Bill Huey (hui)
2008-02-21 21:40   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-02-21 22:12   ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-21 22:42     ` Peter W. Morreale
2008-02-23  8:03   ` Andrew Morton

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