From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [rfc][patch 3/3] use SLAB_ALIGN_SMP
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:00:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47CBF683.10201@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080303124142.GB13138@wotan.suse.de>
Nick Piggin a écrit :
> On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 10:53:52AM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>
>> Nick Piggin a écrit :
>>
>>> Use SLAB_SMP_ALIGN in a few places.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I dont understand why you added SLAB_SMP_ALIGN, without removing
>> SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN on these places.
>>
>
> Because I thought that in most of the cases, we also want some cacheline
> alignment on UP systems as well because we care about the layout of the
> structure WRT the cachelines for the mandatory/capacity miss cases, as
> well as wanting to avoid false sharing misses on SMP.
>
> Actually I didn't think _too_ hard about them, possibly some could be
> removed. But the problem is that these things do require careful
> thought so I should not change them unless I have done that ;)
>
> I guess there are some basic guidelines -- if size is a problem (ie if
> there can be lots of these structures), then that is going to be a
> factor; if the total pool of objects is likely to be fairly densely
> resident in cache, then it will start to favour dense packing rather
> than good alignment.
>
>
Well, if a kmem_cache_create() is used, this is probably because number
of objects can be large, so kmalloc() power-of-two granularity could
waste lot of ram.
But yes, you are right that SLAB_SMP_ALIGN doesnt imply SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN
- SMP_ALIGN is a hint about false sharing (when object contains a refcnt
for example), that is a concern only if
num_possible_cpus() > 1
While HWCACHE_ALIGN might be a hint saying :
- The writer carefully designed the structure so that max performance is
obtained when all objects starts on a cache line boundary, even on
Uniprocessor.
But I suspect some uses of HWCACHE_ALIGN are not a hint but a strong
requirement.
Maybe we need to use three flags to separate the meanings ?
SLAB_HINT_SMP_ALIGN
SLAB_HINT_HWCACHE_ALIGN
SLAB_HWCACHE_ALIGN /* strong requirement that two objects dont share a
cache line */
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-03 13:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-03 9:34 [rfc][patch 1/3] slub: fix small HWCACHE_ALIGN alignment Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 9:34 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 9:35 ` [rfc][patch 2/3] slab: introduce SMP alignment Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 9:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:03 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 20:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:12 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 20:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:24 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 20:41 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 21:23 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05 0:16 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 4:37 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 5:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 5:19 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 5:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 5:37 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-11 7:13 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-12 6:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 9:36 ` [rfc][patch 3/3] use SLAB_ALIGN_SMP Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 9:36 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 9:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-03-03 12:41 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 13:00 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2008-03-03 13:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 13:53 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 14:15 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-03-03 19:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 19:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 20:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:18 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 21:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 9:44 ` [rfc][patch 1/3] slub: fix small HWCACHE_ALIGN alignment Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 12:28 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 19:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:06 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 20:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 20:17 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-03 21:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:30 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 21:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-05 0:28 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 20:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-06 2:49 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-06 22:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 2:04 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 2:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 2:25 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 2:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 2:33 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 2:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 5:23 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 0:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 0:06 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-05 0:10 ` David Miller
2008-03-05 21:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-06 2:57 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-06 22:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 2:23 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 2:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 2:32 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 2:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 3:10 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 3:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 3:22 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-07 3:58 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 4:05 ` Nick Piggin
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