From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [216.168.135.169] (helo=starfish.geekisp.com) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1JZ54z-0002LM-Uj for openembedded-devel@openembedded.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:05:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 27235 invoked by uid 1003); 11 Mar 2008 14:01:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost.localdomain) (philip@opensdr.com@127.0.0.1) by mail.geekisp.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 14:01:42 -0000 Message-ID: <47D690C3.8010200@balister.org> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:01:39 -0400 From: Philip Balister User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080226) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: openembedded-devel@openembedded.org References: <200803110807.11368.zecke@selfish.org> <200803111126.04715.openembedded@haerwu.biz> <1205233201.4521.30.camel@dax.rpnet.com> <20080311143030.68d6341b@widy.localdomain> <1205239153.4521.53.camel@dax.rpnet.com> <20080311150320.7c31b2f6@widy.localdomain> <1205243052.4521.82.camel@dax.rpnet.com> In-Reply-To: <1205243052.4521.82.camel@dax.rpnet.com> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 216.168.135.169 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: philip@balister.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on serenity X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:39:36 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on linuxtogo.org) Subject: Re: Reconsidering the work flow and how the SCM system fits in X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:06:27 -0000 X-Groupsio-MsgNum: 4522 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010102030703000804010606" --------------ms010102030703000804010606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Purdie wrote: > So, firstly, is anyone else willing to propose any other distributed > SCMs or is this just a choice between hg and git? If so, we have three > options: > > 1. Continue as we are with monotone > 2. Switch to git > 3. Switch to hg Basically, RP has cut to the core of the discussion. This is the question that must be resolved. 1) mtn creates pain for a small number of important developers and does not effectively support some projects workflows. However, these problems limit our ability to promote OE effectively. Continuing with mtn is not a long term survival strategy for OE. (Yes, I am wearing a PHB hat when I say this.) 2) Personally, I need to improve my git skillz so I can work effectively with u-boot and the kernel projects. Professionally speaking, I must learn git. 3) Koen's picture of the Hg workflow is very helpful. But for me personally, my git needs trump my curiosity about Hg. The bottom line is that I have only so many hours in a day to learn things, and I would prefer to have to learn a SCM that is already in my queue of things to learn. Although I personally have no particular beef with mtn (I have trained my fingers to use it for my needs) I would be fine with a switch to git. As a final note, as long as OE does not switch to cvs, I would learn whatever SCM is chosen since the power of OE outweighs SCM annoyance :) Philip --------------ms010102030703000804010606 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJRTCCAv0w ggJmoAMCAQICEHzDFPOZ2p8t9T4wm358rqkwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MDQxNDEzMTkyOVoXDTA4MDQxMzEzMTky OVowYjERMA8GA1UEBBMIQmFsaXN0ZXIxDzANBgNVBCoTBlBoaWxpcDEYMBYGA1UEAxMPUGhpbGlw IEJhbGlzdGVyMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG 9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAvJS5tUVsXVRltIKV57mvyOnqjrDpQX8YvC35MubnQf7RctFZ 65G/JPVfYuJzo0956WHCLCSPC1mhaA5bVNCogPweIYq9EoZZsTijl3qrP6AkCdfr47S5fwIps4vZ X3zFZ1BXZ7up+wrl+s0Xp3i6IJrdVysiAbz5oUF1Fl7Go0SzLgwQa+m7LL2XqFaMM3jIH+qUxu72 tDt43Jjl97/8YGsdNWQRipOWA+VvK6JS5yse1IxEI73mWZWeQMe4y6TEtp/8kcWxCB7aIjrMNQMN szDZVB2pvaRXapwf5HKxY7zLuScR94reAR0hBmusQ2xPuhDGbbjEdkvgcST2yR0ZlwIDAQABozAw LjAeBgNVHREEFzAVgRNwaGlsaXBAYmFsaXN0ZXIub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEFBQADgYEAbLC8HLx4GoPVKDTTePeZ6Atrqtro0XmJi/Nqw7DJyWG5mzqAS2HdIFnxOuAk9srp nbYSpM8lXwnRtLaIrlnawIMDtCrvBQ4RSnrUsxxDVVa+FJYDP2nzYFFul8eXoZfCUiYil1flfdYN U5QulSNRWJZkmYvowYVfU81qKnZ0TFAwggL9MIICZqADAgECAhB8wxTzmdqfLfU+MJt+fK6pMA0G CSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAo UHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAe Fw0wNzA0MTQxMzE5MjlaFw0wODA0MTMxMzE5MjlaMGIxETAPBgNVBAQTCEJhbGlzdGVyMQ8wDQYD VQQqEwZQaGlsaXAxGDAWBgNVBAMTD1BoaWxpcCBCYWxpc3RlcjEiMCAGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYTcGhp bGlwQGJhbGlzdGVyLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALyUubVFbF1U ZbSClee5r8jp6o6w6UF/GLwt+TLm50H+0XLRWeuRvyT1X2Lic6NPeelhwiwkjwtZoWgOW1TQqID8 HiGKvRKGWbE4o5d6qz+gJAnX6+O0uX8CKbOL2V98xWdQV2e7qfsK5frNF6d4uiCa3VcrIgG8+aFB dRZexqNEsy4MEGvpuyy9l6hWjDN4yB/qlMbu9rQ7eNyY5fe//GBrHTVkEYqTlgPlbyuiUucrHtSM RCO95lmVnkDHuMukxLaf/JHFsQge2iI6zDUDDbMw2VQdqb2kV2qcH+RysWO8y7knEfeK3gEdIQZr rENsT7oQxm24xHZL4HEk9skdGZcCAwEAAaMwMC4wHgYDVR0RBBcwFYETcGhpbGlwQGJhbGlzdGVy Lm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAGywvBy8eBqD1Sg003j3megLa6ra 6NF5iYvzasOwyclhuZs6gEth3SBZ8TrgJPbK6Z22EqTPJV8J0bS2iK5Z2sCDA7Qq7wUOEUp61LMc Q1VWvhSWAz9p82BRbpfHl6GXwlImIpdX5X3WDVOULpUjUViWZJmL6MGFX1PNaip2dExQMIIDPzCC AqigAwIBAgIBDTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCB0TELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExFTATBgNVBAgTDFdlc3Rl cm4gQ2FwZTESMBAGA1UEBxMJQ2FwZSBUb3duMRowGAYDVQQKExFUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZzEo MCYGA1UECxMfQ2VydGlmaWNhdGlvbiBTZXJ2aWNlcyBEaXZpc2lvbjEkMCIGA1UEAxMbVGhhd3Rl IFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIENBMSswKQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhxwZXJzb25hbC1mcmVlbWFpbEB0 aGF3dGUuY29tMB4XDTAzMDcxNzAwMDAwMFoXDTEzMDcxNjIzNTk1OVowYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQDE pjxVc1X7TrnKmVoeaMB1BHCd3+n/ox7svc31W/Iadr1/DDph8r9RzgHU5VAKMNcCY1osiRVwjt3J 8CuFWqo/cVbLrzwLB+fxH5E2JCoTzyvV84J3PQO+K/67GD4Hv0CAAmTXp6a7n2XRxSpUhQ9IBH+n ttE8YQRAHmQZcmC3+wIDAQABo4GUMIGRMBIGA1UdEwEB/wQIMAYBAf8CAQAwQwYDVR0fBDwwOjA4 oDagNIYyaHR0cDovL2NybC50aGF3dGUuY29tL1RoYXd0ZVBlcnNvbmFsRnJlZW1haWxDQS5jcmww CwYDVR0PBAQDAgEGMCkGA1UdEQQiMCCkHjAcMRowGAYDVQQDExFQcml2YXRlTGFiZWwyLTEzODAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQBIjNFQg+oLLswNo2asZw9/r6y+whehQ5aUnX9MIbj4Nh+qLZ82L8D0 HFAgk3A8/a3hYWLD2ToZfoSxmRsAxRoLgnSeJVCUYsfbJ3FXJY3dqZw5jowgT2Vfldr394fWxghO rvbqNOUQGls1TXfjViF4gtwhGTXeJLHTHUb/XV9lTzGCA2QwggNgAgEBMHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMC WkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0 ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhB8wxTzmdqfLfU+MJt+fK6pMAkGBSsOAwIa BQCgggHDMBgGCSqGSIb3DQEJAzELBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHAYJKoZIhvcNAQkFMQ8XDTA4MDMxMTE0 MDEzOVowIwYJKoZIhvcNAQkEMRYEFMl27sSIBIZ3PiZCl66sRE0b9/6mMFIGCSqGSIb3DQEJDzFF MEMwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFAMAcGBSsOAwIHMA0G CCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIGFBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxeDB2MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxU aGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJl ZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQfMMU85nany31PjCbfnyuqTCBhwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxeKB2MGIx CzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYD VQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQIQfMMU85nany31PjCbfnyu qTANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQBiOs2+envsCqyunMDbdg4bbR/0yWsFKlaN+Jb0gDxz4CDi5Eno YXsBO2N6J1sixsWfh94s44kbnpoRqWZzwPeuyGEid8RIo+twm9Np59DhtvqTl0m7DQrgzX8MvkpZ me7F8k39/kyve91B1uWDR6jaoWnK1KymaSO2z0Hx4OYEQh/UHm0l/hix7ZOGz/Xf48UIRohAZ+cz q2RXwNPp8uc3cxzxL2qvAD61xwybjCGJUFeyH0UKWT9kTEXOkYImXbdkSM9eITU8J4YMMotOYxs1 DCcyXWS/NeJOIvKcaKmc2VlloNfyrp+OGbTczhOZFhqJ8JsLhak3HnrOrBAyBzYKAAAAAAAA --------------ms010102030703000804010606--